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Coote
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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: "As it is in Heaven" - the Movie |
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I watched this movie at home on a DVD a short while back. (Swedish with English subtitles....about a famous conductor who returns to the small village of his boyhood).
What a beautiful movie..... with some great statements. Great music too.
Three quotes (more or less as I remember them):
"Sometimes we do things without knowing why..."
"There is no death...."
"There is no sin..."
"God doesn't forgive us because He has never condemned us..."
I heartily recommend this film. |
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michellepetkus
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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It does indeed sound like a good movie. I will have to check it out.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Michelle |
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littlebird
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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"There is no death...."
"There is no sin..."
"God doesn't forgive us because He has never condemned us..."
Dear Coote,
Indeed, and the bible speaks of this;
1 Cor 15:25-26 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1 Job 3:8 He that commiteth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Someday, all will learn the true meaning of these words. 
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Coote
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Bible passages |
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Thanks Littlebird. Your signature, "God is Love" is actually one of my favorite Bible quotes.
Another significant favorite comes from Luke 17:21 "....the kingdom of God is within you." |
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littlebird
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: Bible passages |
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Dear Coote,
You're welcome. Thank you for the movie tip, I am always game for an uplifting, meaningful movie! Funny you should mention that passage in Luke ~ I was talking spiritually with a co-worker last nite. He mentioned that he thinks this is hell....and that if we live a "good" life then we go to heaven. "The kingdom of God lies within you" came to my mind. I will share this with him in our next conversation. That it is possible to change his thinking in the here and now!  Peace and Love to you.
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Rastus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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There is no Death. Well, I can attest to that. Joys of being concious of other lives (past and future, but thats a different post). We are all quite eternal. I think re-discovering that is one of the reasons we are here at this moment.
There is no Sin. Well, it is just self induced nonsense. Or is it just Judgement (of self or others)? Or is it really just something out of a book? The whole concept of sin merely being a way to control people through fear? Nobody died for my sins, as warm and comforting as the idea can be, it is dis-empowering, and holds no power over me.
And I sometimes do things without knowing why. I have been awed at seeing the effects later on. I have done the oddest things for 'no reason' only to see the effects later on. Coincidences are indeed alive and well, and happen all the time. I feel the real key is noticing just how well things can line up for you.
God has no need ot forgive becasue God never condemed us. We are God, so indeed that is true. We can only condem ourselves, so then can we only forgive ourselves? How can anything outside of ourselves even exist at higher levels?
Is this DVD released in the states?
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BridgeBuilder
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Someday, all will learn the true meaning of these words. |
Indeed we will, but perhaps not quite the way many expect. Littlebird, I honor your choice to believe as you do. Now let me express what I believe, as inspired by The Celestine Prophecy and other revealed truths.
Some day all will know just how awe-inspiring the Love that binds the omniverse together truly is. Undiluted and unclouded by Fear. There is no judgement. There is no condemnation. There is no need to debase oneself. There is no deity expecting worship, except perhaps expecting that we learn how to worship ourselves with no self-loathing or judgement. There is no sin. There is no need to be forgiven. There is no need to be redeemed. We are loved precisely for who we are right now. That's why we are here, unique expressions of the divine, each of us exactly the way we chose to be in this place of imagined good and evil. Good and evil are an illusion. There is only Love. And Love has no true enemies.
For We are that Eternal Love, inseparable from the beginning to the end. We can know this fully in this life too. And it is a truly beautiful revelation to behold. Once you realize this, there are no limits to what you can create. There are no limits to your joy in this life. It is truly heaven on earth, as was predicted long ago. No need to wait for heaven. It is here now, if you just open your eyes and choose to look. That's what the ascension is all about. I was shopping tonight thinking about who we truly are, and how could it be that we are God? Sometimes it is difficult to comprehend. And there was a book on a shelf staring right back at me called "Me, I Am", a nice little message from my higher self, for those who understand the reference. I am that I am, that's who we are, inseparable from All that Is. Some say we are nothing, when in truth we are everything, more than we could possibly imagine. And of course, fundamentally, we are Love. Some day all will learn the true meaning of these words. And there will be great joy on that day. For we will be home.
Peace and Love,
BridgeBuilder
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Coote
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: Availability |
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I see that the DVD is available at Amazon, although it is in a different format compared to most DVDs commonly sold in the USA...thus some DVD players may not be able to play this particular disk.
Here's the link to a relevant page at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Himmelen-NON-USA-FORMAT-Reg-2/dp/B000ER31LE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9169289-2400161?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194503275&sr=8-1
Gosh "We are God"..... that is something I find hard to comprehend, but I can see what you are saying, and I admit that there is evidence that supports the statement.
I know very little about anything (consciously anyway), but I'm inclined to think that although I may be made in 'God's image and likeness'... the man Coote and the mysterious being called God are not one and the same. If I am God, I'd like to apologize for all the current strife and cock-ups.... 
I can accept that I am at one with God. I can accept that I am here to express God....in fact without me, or any individual, God could not be fully expressed since an infinite God must require a complete, infinite creation to express Herself.
I accept that God is the Principle of all that exists....the one infinite and infinitely intelligent and all-knowing Mind. He is Life, Truth and Spirit...the source of all substance. If She is Mind and Life, then I can accept that She is also the ultimate Soul. And I have no argument that He/She is Love. But to think that He/She is identical with Coote is a scary concept 
I guess if I understood everything, and there was no mystery, existence could be boring.
I appreciate everybody's thoughtful and thought-provoking comments. |
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BridgeBuilder
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But to think that He/She is identical with Coote is a scary concept |
I can see how you might feel this way. One day I was pondering similar questions, and Spirit revealed some things to me. I have since heard this expressed elsewhere recently too, a nice confirmation.
Before we are born, we are One with a brilliant white Light, the Light of All that Is. We are fully conscious of our oneness with the Light. Then the Light enters into a prism, and it is separated into a rainbow of beautiful colors. When we incarnate, each of is like one of the colors, a beautiful, unique expression of the Light. Yet we are still Light. And when we die, it is like going through the prism once again. We rejoin the beautiful brilliant Light, a harmony of colors rejoined, not one of those colors is lost in the Light, but each becomes One with the pure white Light, as we began.
There is no need to fear who we are. I struggled with fear for a long time. And I still ponder who we truly are, so difficult it is to truly comprehend. We learn who we are exactly as fast as we are able to handle it and no faster. We aren't like children playing with matches. We will learn to co-create with the divine precisely when we are ready to do so, for there is a loving buffer in place. Love is like that. There is nothing to fear from Love, not ever.
Peace and Love,
BridgeBuilder
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Coote
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: at one with the light |
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| What you are saying sounds good Bridgebuilder, but how do you know for sure that things are exactly like that? I'm not being argumentative, I want to know how you can be so sure....when I am not thoroughly convinced of many of the things that I'd like to believe. |
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littlebird
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: Are we God or one with God..... |
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Dear friends,
In John 10:34 Jesus speaks;
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works; that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
I know that my path is not for everyone at this time, and believe me, it has not been easy, but I stand firm in my faith. I do not believe I am God, the creator of the universe, rather that I am of God, just a child. ~ Much of what is talked about in the CP books, happens to be taught in the bible. In fact, in the Shambala book, the forward is a quote from Daniel. That book is all about ascension and I found it excellent!
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.
Peace and Love to all, Lisa
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Coote
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: God's Children |
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Aye Littlebird...like you I find it relatively easy to accept that I am a child of God. I would be surprised if most people couldn't accept this in some way. No matter what we believe, we were obviously created by something, and it is fair enough to call the Creator God.
The nature of God is the thing to see.
Because of what I feel in my heart and have experienced, and because of what has been taught and demonstrated by the 'masters', I can easily accept that God is Love, the all-powerful Principle of the universe. I only just have a hint of a glimpse of what this actually means, but that is enough for now.
One of the big questions I have struggled with is....if God is Love, and creation has arisen from this Infinite Love, then creation must be good. Then why does it appear that things which aren't so good have so much 'stage time'?
So while I don't really have an answer to that which totally satisfies me, I do know that by holding to good thoughts I seem to be able to change my experience to make it more harmonious. (From Philippians 4:8 "...whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.")
I guess all is being revealed.
I'm going away into a fairly remote area for the weekend. Maybe I'll ponder on this a bit.
Thanks for all your thoughts. Best wishes....Coote. |
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BridgeBuilder
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What you are saying sounds good Bridgebuilder, but how do you know for sure that things are exactly like that? I'm not being argumentative, I want to know how you can be so sure....when I am not thoroughly convinced of many of the things that I'd like to believe. |
Hello Coote,
I appreciate your questions. I too asked many questions too over the years, before I found my own faith, and I am now very strong in that faith.
How do I know? It took a great deal of convincing actually because I was so caught up in fear-based and disempowering religious beliefs. It took direct communication from Spirit, some of which was quite miraculous, to convince me once and for all. And now I know. If you want to know too, just ask to be shown the way. Just be prepared when you do so, because it can be somewhat disconcerting when you realize our 3D world really is an illusion, and what some might call the supernatural is natural. Ask the Creator of the Omniverse to show you the way, there is no harm in that, no matter what you believe. Ask your Creator to show you the way .
And dear Lisa,
I do so understand your concerns, as I've been there. I understand more than you could possibly know. And although I know you stand firm in your faith, and I respect that, I too stand extremely firm in my faith, which has been tested time and time again in recent years. I don't reject all of the Bible Lisa, there are some wonderful things in the Bible, no doubt directly from Spirit. But I do not believe everything in the Bible is based in the true Love of God. That is my belief. You have yours. I have a right to express my beliefs, and I won't hesitate to do so anymore. Based on many conversations of this nature online, I have come to believe we find God in the way that works best for each of us. However, the more you remove ANY sort of fear from the equation, and I mean ANY fear, and the more you realize how wonderful you truly are, not a lowly sinful person at all, the closer to the true Love of God will you be. That doesn't mean you can't find that Love in other ways, but Fear will always stand in the way if you let it, diluting and clouding that Love. I defy Fear Lisa, and I will always do so, boldly stating my beliefs. I now challenge Fear everywhere I find it. For I have come to know the true Love of God free from any fear at all. There is no blasphemy Lisa, that's a judgemental fear-based statement. And there are no enemies to fear either. There is only Love.
As for the topic of good and evil Coote, that's a big one, too big for my lunch hour. In a nutshell, they are illusions, although I have struggled with that too. It's a very difficult concept to grasp, and it has taken me many years to understand it. In some ways, I'm still gaining an understanding of this particular topic.
Lisa, yes we are all on the same page, there is commonality everywhere. I am encouraged that you can see that actually. But until you release the Fear, you can't fully know the Love. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, and I know it may even come across as judgemental, but it is what I believe and know to be true based on my own personal experience, as well as the experiences of others. I appreciate that you stand firm in your faith, but I think you may discover there is even more to discover, once you release your fears. Your faith will only be enhanced, not diminished, and you will be truly free. The Celestine Prophesy is a wonderful step in the direction of undiminished Love and personal empowerment.
Peace and Love,
BridgeBuilder
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littlebird
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Coote,
I hope you have a blessed weekend. To add, I think God is creating us in his image.....not a finished product yet. ie...the stage time. I know I would like to grow more and more in love and light.
Dear Bridgebuilder,
You misunderstand me. I am not calling you blasphemous, it was the unbelievers in the bible that called Jesus blasphemous for saying he was the Son of God. I also do not believe all of what has been translated in the bible. I see a progression of the old testament unto the new testament. Which to me is all about love, which Jesus declared. I did not realize I come off as fearful......so that is a surprise to me! Please know that I do respect your journey and your faith as well, I think we can learn from one another. Thank you for caring about me.
Peace and Love to you.
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michellepetkus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if God is Love, and creation has arisen from this Infinite Love, then creation must be good. Then why does it appear that things which aren't so good have so much 'stage time'? |
Creation is neither good or bad, it just is. We are the ones who put a value onto everything in relation to how good or bad we think something is. We are naturally inclined to do so because we are on the plane of demonstration. Our thoughts are tied into judging things as good or bad and it is those thoughts that creates our world. Once we get tired of seeing so much bad we will choose to change our perspective to seeing the good in things. Once we do that the next step, acceptance of all, becomes much easier.
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