i cant find anyone else who feels this

[deepbluewave]

hello,,first time on here! i read the celestine prophecy, 2 years ago,,it had sat on my bookshelf about 2 years previously, as i found i coulnt get in to it,,however, when i did,,it was at a time, when i needed to hear the words. it truely is an amazing book,and i realised that its something i have felt ever since i can remember,,the energy,, and the deep deep beauty of the world.



yesterday,,by chance i googled the book,,and found this website,,i didnt even know there was a film! .. i am currently reading the tenth insight,,,and found that once again,,its something ive always believed,,but when trying to defend an arguement of re-incarnation to a non believer,,have come stuck along the way,,not really knowing myself,,just really believing. now i feel i have a plausible end explanation and can spread the word..



... at present,,im the happiest ive ever been,,im with a magical boyfriend,,who always listens to me and my beliefs,,but i really do find it hard to relate to most people,,im 25 and have started settling down a bit,,after years of partying etc,,,but feel like , while im completly opening myself to the wonders of the world and want to mission off to explore,,practically everyone i know,,seems wrapped up in meaningless attitudes and selfish, ugly behaviour. now i feel lonely,,my best friend is constanly in a vicous circle of self destuctive behaviour, and hates to hear how happy i am,,and its got to the point i cant be around her. she takes my energy! And as depressing as this sounds,,( being pretty miserable 4 my first time on here) i see/feel it everywhere? evereyone takes my energy



ive realised,,alot of my friends are poor me's,,,what does that mean about me?



how do i spread the love and happiness i feel, in myself and the world, without patronising or making other peoples feeling trival?



like i said,,,im new to all this and would love to embrace it more,,would be ace to get some wicked response to this,,,thanks folk!!!!! xxxxx

[chakratom]

Hello Deepbluewave,



good to hear you found the book interesting, and that you would like to see everone in a world of joy. Me too.



Best advise I can give is to be yourself at all times, don't do things just because it may help someone be happy, that is up to that person, not you.



I started when I was 25 too, now I am 35, did what I felt like I should do, and kept practicing, so that today, I can feel when something is the correct course of action for my self, and not for others.



If you give off the vibe, others will be attracted to it that feel the same way, and perhaps it is not your friends, but new ones that could be good friend, you don't need to be around anyone that brings you down.



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[michellepetkus]

Hi Deepbluewave,



You have a right to your happiness no matter what anyone else says or does to the contrary. I know I'm not giving up mine. I've worked to hard for it. But you are absolutely right that there does seem to be a high percentage of people who are wrapped up in their own worlds. I noticed this as a child with my friends and decided to hell with them. I did not want to be around selfish people. I know this sounds rather drastic but sometimes you have to walk away from the things that you know are harmful to you until you can get to the point where you can be around them without it affecting your health. Once you?ve gotten to the point where you realize their problems are not your problem then you will be able to help them if you so choose but until then you need to help yourself because you can?t help others to heal if you are not healthy yourself and you won?t be healthy if you stay around people who drain your energy. Just try to remember that they are using control dramas to get their way. If you give into their dramas then you are actually enabling them to continue their negative patterns to get their way. You don?t have to feel guilty about walking away. It is for both your benefits. You will also find as you choose to only surround yourself with people who will be potential partners, whether friends, lovers, coworkers, etc, you will find that those are the ones who start showing up on your door step. Kind of like finding this site as you were starting to feel lonely. You are not alone. You have just made a bunch of new friends.



Sincerely,

Michelle

[matt]

Heya, be welcome here.



The advice already given here is spot-on as usual, so I will just add what I can.



I think that you're being energy zapped by people because you are still establishing your centre. Being centred is a whole new ballgame, it's akin to being awake instead of asleep. Mostly, we are very sleepy. Even when we wake up... we tend to drift off again... the people we interact with lull us back to sleep. Again, when some people are gently woken, groggly they just turn over and try to sleep again... sometimes a sudden shock is the only way; but that is only because they refused to wake earlier. Not that we are about shocking people - they actually do it to themselves.



To help develop your centre... is to let go of attachments to rules, results and objects. That is not to say that you can't have things; in fact, by letting go, everything becomes possible. Being centred is being balanced. When we are unbalanced, we can be pulled this way and that and soon become tired and can fall over.



In the meantime, it sounds like you need to shield yourself. There are many ways to do this and there are many resources on it. One of the most important things to do regarding people who drain us is to simply walk away from them. Is this rude? Depends where our centre is... are we attached to the perceptions that others harbour for us? If someone is dragging us "down", then it is enough to finish the conversation and break the connection. However we do it, we are just protecting ourselves. Consider it this way: I once heard a story from a person I met at Aikido classes. He said that when he was a young lad, he joined a martial arts class and the sensai asked him "what is the best form of self-defence?" So he rattled off every martial art he could think off to a negatively-nodding sensai until eventually he gave up and asked for the answer. The sensai simply just said "It is to walk away."



If we can walk away and not beat ourselves up over that, then we have gone a long way to clearing our ego.



love & light

matt

[chakratom]

I just learned something new that I should add, and that is that we are all where we are supposed to be, it is as it is, same above as below. So, with this in mind and heart, it is up to each of us to do what we can for the Self in each, your Self, not anyone else's. It is some people's karma to be where they are in life, and that is okay, rest assured know you are your self, not the other way around.



I have just started down a path of spiritual healing, it will take 2 years to complete all 17 levels, but after 2 days, the first 2 lessons, amazing things have started happening. As I apply the teachings, I feel more grounded and awake all the time, and understand that just because someone doesn't understand me, or even disagrees, that is great! It is not for me to try and prove it, as I already feel it is true, and I don't want to take away the opportunity for the other person to feel what is there, it is all about the Self doing it for the Self.



Peace



tom
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[wizanda]

Ok the problem you are stating is the EGO, now the EGO is the lowest dimension of the reality, so to beat this; you has to be better then EGO and that takes the higher dimensions.

Heaven is unconditional love at 11 and Wisdom at 12, God is 13th dimension.



Do not get wound up, just love, the next book to read and a really brilliant read since 1919 is “how to win friend’s and influence people” by Dale Carnegie.



In some ways we agree to walk away yet this is also EGO and in doing so, you will never fix the world.



As Lao Tzu put it and as you now possess from read the Celestine make DAO you centre i.e. wisdom (to teach as a father or mother as to nurture never criticize) and with in that is unconditional love.



With what nelson Mandela said it is people are scared of letting their own light shine.



Now each of us take light to grow, so if you walk away from all people who need your help and light you shine, then this is selfish and as such no where other then leading to craziness, as indeed the path is wide that many take.



Yet we say and can show how the bottom dimension is EGO, so learn not to let your own rise up.

Learn not to attach to suffering and remorse or negative influences, yet this doesn’t mean leave them as in doing this half the time, if you challenge a control drama especially if they have had a drink you will be fighting the EGO of the person.



Now they will try and challenge yours, yet if you are like a pebble and smooth and not a ruff rock that only cares about its self.

Then you will slowly shape other pebbles and the world can grow as the sea does.



Other wise we are no better then any Christians who lock them self’s in building away from people and don’t mix with anyone others their group.



So don’t get wound up, that we have challenged you so dramatically, yet what you just said hurt my soul to the intrinsic levels and as such is not practical with in a energy environment.



We come from heaven, so this does help a lot in explaining, also Zanda is the real name of Shambhala… yet we will help where we can as foretold…



Peace, Love AN B WITH Us
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[michellepetkus]

Hello Deepbluewave,



I will reiterate. You do not have to feel guilty about walking away from negative people. It is not your job to save the world. Your only duty is to save yourself. If it takes walking away to learn how to not allow others suffering, remorse, or negativity to affect your well being then you have made the right choice. Once you have conquered their negative effects on you, you may actually find that you want to help others who are stuck in negativity but that choice will be made from free will as opposed to feelings of guilt or obligation. The reality of it is you can never save anyone because they have to learn their lessons on their own. You can help guide them but ultimately the growth is up to them. But if you save yourself by whatever means you feel necessary then you are doing your part to make this world a better place. That is your only job and you should never feel guilty about how you go about achieving it.



Sincerely,

Michelle



PS: Wizanda, you are putting too much responsibility on people who may not be ready to carry the weight you ask of them. They will one day but let them get there first.

[michellepetkus]

Hi Tom,



You have achieved emotional separation from the negative energy of the world. You now understand what it truly means to have peace in your life. From now on your presence will touch and help many because you now understand what unconditional love is, that it is love without judgment. I'm so happy for you. Best of luck with your healer training. I'm sure you'll do great but do keep us posted.



Sincerely,

Michelle

[chakratom]

Thank you Michelle, I do agree, and feel it more than ever.



It is interesting and I feel I am 2nd chakra dominate, which will aid me in my excellence as a healer, I can feel that too.



New things at every turn, in every moment.



Today I showed a spiritual friend what I mean by using my 2nd Chakra to attract our waitress for the bill, and guess what, I felt her receive my message and smiled at my friend. Then she walked up to the table to ask if we wanted our bill.



I am not shocked much anymore either, as I now realize the correct pronunciation of the word Chakra, it isn't shock-ra, it is as it looks. Chack-ra. So, nothing's shocking...



Peace



Tom
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[chakratom]

Thanks to a member of this forum, I found I made a mistake on the way Chakra is pronounced, and now that I see what I did write, I realize I did write it down wrong.



This is how it sounds: shuc kra



Peace



Tom
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[wizanda]

Thxz for the warmth it helps we get bruised by many being like this all my life.

Even my own Dad is scared spiritually, like Buddha's dad and mines Rasputin or Richard, so the same as before.

Yet this time we planned in advance for, so what we need to add that is so important is that the energy we perceive as our self controlling is atoms

Heaven is above atoms, it helped we died at 23 and saw it first hand again even though we did come from there we had many knocks.

So the last is the first step as in coincidence think about it for second…..

Where do they come from?

How cane you pre-empt time to achieve perfection, when we don’t yet see past chaos.

How did we get to heaven then?

Unconditional love it is miles away, it is around you above every atom in life, not in death, which is an escape route if you make a mess of it.

Yet it does look like from what we have seen so far, many are just trapped in the reincarnation cycle due to the lies and forgot the path up to heaven simply is you must live oneness!

That isn’t burden as in that is GOOD and that is the centre of all energy as the universe was made good in atoms.

Yet they took for them self’s and this need to be realized else there is a brick wall called desire.

Then in desire do people come back as tree to learn patients and get chopped down!!

So much for circle of life and us fixing our self’s if we destroy it first, so yes the is wake up called since beginning of time as we need your help as one us.

Horse chestnut provide rooting structure for other plants also the fig is extremely deep rooting there are under water reservoirs under the middle east it was Eden once upon a time both of these heal as do most holy plants, we know as do many of us.

So if we drop ego, we get more coincidence and not just coincidence, if we follow the dimension i.e. commandments, yet re-written as dimensions, as they once started.

Then we get miracles and things we ask, regardless of time keeping it happens before you ask, yet to do this you must be free of the lies in society to move on.

As it is also our own previous life’s, so we not off the hook by simply thinking we can fly again with out realizing where ego stems and that is every atom, if we take and so get illness and rot as does yeast.



All of this takes one thing and this each of us have and that is so special… which is faith, to inquire of who is (I am) to finally go we are oneness and retire or come back on holiday as use to be before we all fell down from worshipping our selves, and forgetting atomic structures and quantum physics.

So yes it may sound so complicated yet so is life and reality not just the universe as some people conceive.
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[michellepetkus]

Life is only as difficult as you make it. Once we learn to get out of our own way by letting go of trying to get life to bend to our will it all falls into place and becomes clear. Getting to this truth may be hard but once there you'll see that life is actually completely uncomplicated and designed to be effortless.



Michelle

[wizanda]

Shalom



Sorry we have to disagree that is pipe dreams as Life is like sailing the sea.....



You think it is too nice and forget to say thank you, or as friend we knew who sailed the Atlantic in a 7-9 meter boat.

That when he was hit by storm, he hadn't been fixing all the things in his own life, i.e. the boat is a person and this is you....



As many of the bits had rusted as the sea does to people from moment you breath it in as that should be in the soil, yet no we chopped the trees over millions of years as we watched dinosaurs do and get wiped out, and now we do it in a race to prove we can build bigger things then each other.



So raise your mast height the wind snaps, if you stays are not there.



Our poor friend thought, wow life on the open sea is good and wham bam force 10 storm hits 11 is hurricane and this is the beginning of the tribulation not the end.





So yes some fake prophets may paint you an illusion of peace, already fooling you into not fixing the stays (patients and support for strong situations).



Then along comes our storms, our friend in the story ended up sitting their with no generator batteries water logged no solar panels as also water logged the whole boat and sinking, stays that had snapped and lost the sail.

The boat its self sinking and why because our friend didn’t plan for the worse he planned for this charming life he was told about on the sea.



Yet due to our friend had been a London courier and had dealt with extreme situation as that is.

They believed in faith and pushed and we mean pushed as they were ready to die; from the extreme torture of the forces of nature!



So you may live on a luxury linear and think that is safe, titanic sunk, Nubian sunk, Kutch sunk, Mu in pacific sunk, Atlantis sunk….



So what you going to do in a world that isn’t real, yet is really made of small particles and is interlinked as the sea you float on and call reality.



Sea fares know that you have to anchor next to land and considering God is above and around every atom, isn’t it better to anchor near something that won’t later disappear as most carbon based life forms are said to soon?



I.e. 666 is a atomic structure of carbon based life (also 66 is fallen man and trapped by man =6), which an atom or spirit is not.

It is a dream of angels this reality you live in, Elohim in Genesis made here, so meaning this is hell or mudguard and below this is soil….



So with that you either spend your training time riding your bike alone or you become a currier and make sure messages are delivered in the situation you are asked to and in doing so you will strengthen your self.



So when the storm hits, which unless we stand against all the prophets through time and time its selves.



Then we will have to sort have think well all this stuff has happened and maybe?



So yes that produced fear, yet the opposite to fear is faith not some devil = de-live, Satan= accuser of soul=EGO=Mind

You can reverse words in ancient languages to mean the same yet opposite.



It’s like we presume you are American and maybe wrong, yet we could state anywhere the outcomes of the further disaster we are likely to see, until we replant nature as we should to rebuild the temple of the lord, i.e. a tree in Middle East being

Horse chestnut= bread of life

Fig=Wasp’s home and as such they are a pest as they have no work in life…. The fig has a world breaking root depth.







Why is that important? They add roots and roots make rain as mother earth will protect her children which are atoms/Adams.



So as in the day of Jonah we would like to remind you that Zedek is Noah’s real name and Osiris was Melchezedek, who taught Abraham not the other way around.



Peace, Love AN Unity B WITH Us
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[michellepetkus]

Hello Wizanda,



Based on your posts it does not surprise me that you would disagree. Due to the excessive use of metaphors and hyperboles the verbiage you choose comes across as quite complicated and confused. And unfortunately your meaning gets lost in a sea of words that don’t seem to flow in any particular direction. So since your writing shows a complication of thought it is more than likely that you make your life more complicated then it has to be. But I stand by my statement that life is effortless and to show you this I will try to explain it by using your terms. Life is easy if you have truly achieved oneness. Yes, our biological make up is composed of atoms. But the atoms are just our spirit energy transformed into physical form. Though our atoms may reflect our state of mind they are not the reason for our existence. They are just how we are capable of existing in physical form in the first place. They can be our guide map to give us hints on areas we need to work on but the atoms of our body are only a temporary physical manifestation of who we really are which is a mass of energy learning to have oneness.



To define oneness in my terms I would describe it as energy that is flowing in the spirit of cooperation. Its intentions are for the good of all as opposed to the needs of just one. If we are not in oneness we are essentially in a state of mind that is trying to bend life, the world, the flow to our will. Do you get angry and defensive when someone tries to push their views, wants or desires on you? Well it is exactly the same principle with the universal oneness energy. To put it simply if you are, at any point in time, trying to force your views, ideas, wants, needs or wishes on the rest of the world it means you are not in the flow, not living in the spirit of oneness and subsequently life will push back. It is this state of bucking the flow, being in the mindset of one instead of having oneness that causes life to become complicated.



The one and only law that governs the energy of oneness is cause and effect. What you put out is what you get back. If you are in the flow then life flows with you. If you are not roadblocks pop up in your path in an effort to get you back on track. These roadblocks are disguised as illness, accidents, and disappointing outcomes. But they are only traumatic if you perceive them to be. Because every seemingly difficult event that happens in your life is really just an opportunity to learn how to stop bucking the flow. So you are correct that the key is to be in oneness but the simplicity of it is to get there it’s just a matter of live and let live.



So if you are interested in having the world join in your flow then let go of needing the world to flow in only your direction. And for sure you will only encounter smooth seas or in the least you will survive the storm unscathed. If your friend survived the storm then his intentions were set on survival. Survival, in and of itself, is a nonselfish act. So at that point in time his intentions were pure of heart and he went with the flow and survived. However, the reason he was in the storm in the first place was because we wasn’t in the flow listening to the messages warning him of the dangers of sailing the rough seas without proper training. The messages are always there but we have to be in the flow to see the signposts directing our safe sail of the sea. And that, in a nutshell, is the simplicity of life.



Are the amount of people currently not in the flow destroying the earth? It is possible, yet how can you destroy something that doesn’t exist? Illusion or not, the demise of the earth will not come to pass because the flow will buck back to survive. This may mean an end to our opportunity to learn the lessons of Earth for a time as the planet rests and renews but our energy is indestructible and we will live on. It will just be in a different form. So let go of your need to save the planet as it is causing you to fall into one mindedness, needing the world to live up to your expectations of how it should be to survive. The planet can take care of itself. But this quest of yours is subsequently causing you to fall out of oneness and I don’t think that is where you truly want to be. Share your wisdom but always remember to live and let live and then you will be able to see how truly simple life really is.



Sincerely,

Michelle

[wizanda]

My life is simple; we just want many others who may understand of these things, to spot who and what we need....



If we speak in parables which are simplicity to us, then many may find these things complicated, yet in each it is a figurative and that means it is pre-explained in the figurative.





Yes we hear what you say, yet what happens if reality turns into a soup again as expected, we think many more should be saved then already are….



We know most of you as previous spirits, if you have seen heaven we know you, and in that it is our own fear, you hear…



As if as we think may happen and the scientist try and jump time, then they may set fire to it, how many would come?



Our friends and it is our pyramid in hyperspace, i.e. heaven and this reality….



Let’s put it like this, if all are part of the EGG, what happens when the chicken hatches and most are a bacteria and are not part of the chicken?



A Bacteria that was in the EGG is ok, being reality, yet if we break reality as the Celestine is trying to show us, with out the diadems in place, as all the insights are and as foretold us, then how can we?



Also yes it may sound complicated to you, yet also people will and may understand, them…



We know how to be me, and to be less is what we have been forced into all my life.



We are me and that we know now, so why should we lie or miss parts as it may sound harsh?



We stand by Oneness and that means being straight with each other…



This is the funny bit, Oneness is not a man made concept, yet is the real name for heaven.



Heaven exists out side of every atom and is around you….



So say we open the doors of heaven, which is so bright and dynamic what we are saying is pathetic in comparison…



What if?

What will people do, if does?

Easy disappear unless we go rescuing them?





Sorry missing a bit to make more sense of this, we fulfilled revelation chapter 10 word for word, we indeed have the new name of Christ and the original name of God…this list also continues in most religions, yet we are Spiritology.



Yet we still see the tribulation mixed into our reality as most conceive this and expect it.

So the fact is not me standing against the grain, yet trying to build a dam and divert the water a little to help people have the slow lane in comparison to the full water of life, which will blow many of us away…





Thxz for the advise and we do hear, don’t get me wrong as we seek the unconditional love of God far more then love of man, as man’s love dies, God’s doesn’t and we just wished people knew this….





Peace B with U all
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