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michellepetkus
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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: Acceptance |
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In life it's not about what you say that matters but how you say it.
| Quote: | | As you must remember that Christ was an Essenes, who came to cut off the Pharisees the Levites and the Sadducees which were all sect and as such cults |
How this quote was phrased is the key to understanding acceptance and oneness. To imply that any manner of people should be cut off is a declaration of judgment upon those people. The people of that group and those who support them will surely take offense to the statement and thus a conflict is born. You may think that your way of life is better than theirs but the fact of the matter is, if you attack then expect to get attacked back. It is just the way it is. It is just the way our energy operates. Cause and effect. What goes around comes around. What you reap so you shall sow. The list of cliches are endless trying to show us just that. Plain as day written in different styles so that all will hopefully grasp its understanding in time.
So the quote itself is in direct conflict with the true nature of Christ's message because he knew if you sow a life of separation and exclusion then you will reap a life of conflict and hate. A life of conflict and hate that those who pursecuted him would learn one day through the gift of life. He also took it one step further to explain that though his enemies may kill him he cannot die because we will all reincarnate until we get it right, but that is for another story.
Why the early founders of the Church decided to make it the way it is, is of no consequence today. Maybe it was for selfish motives, maybe they thought their way was for everyones own good. We don't know and we never will because they are long gone. And the leaders of the Church today continue to uphold the traditions because they are just presenting them to us the way they were presented to them. But just because someones views and practices don't match yours does not mean you can't build your own Church.
| Quote: | | Now if I took on board in the slightest again anything of their principles then my own faith and that can perform huge miracles drops, why? |
This statement, in and of itself, is the reason many cannot get past judgment and react to all differences of opinion as a battle of wills. If someone's principles, views, or ideals are not the same as yours does that mean you are different than who you are? Acceptance and agreement are two totally different things. I can accept that someone does not see life as I do because I trust in myself and who I am. I can disagree with what they say and be OK because I feel in my heart what is right for me. So just because you acknowledge that someone has a right to their views does not mean you are necessarily in agreement with theirs. The only way that their views can make you loose yours is if you let it happen.
Consequently this also means you cannot save the world by expecting others to change as you see fit. If someone is not seeking your help conflicts will arise because they will feel as though you are trying to manipulate them into changing who they are. The best you can hope for is to offer your advice and lead by example. They may reach an understanding by having known you but in essence the change in them is self propelled. The bottom line is though we may think our views are best for all the reality is all views are just different levels of the same understanding as Rishi succinctly put it in his post on truth.
Having figured this out I have taken a path much like the story of the Sufi that the Reverend passed on. I am not perfect. I get angry, frustrated, and defensive sometimes. But I, above all, always try to think before I act or speak so that my actions are in the spirit of unconditional love. I try to live my life with an acceptance of all owning my views and allowing others theirs. This has taken some practice and sometimes I faulter but the more I try the easier it gets.
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michellepetkus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: Hi |
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Hi Sister,
It's good to see you back. I guess if one good thing came out of the conflict people are talking again. It was getting a little lonely here with just Theressa, Gary and me doing most of the talking. Not that I don't enjoy talking to Theressa and Gary but it's nice to see some old friends back too.
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wizanda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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This had been done already by God as foretold and goes like….
Israel ran off 1st to India, with (=jesus’s child and is recorded in Indian history) from Israel, Next Russia next LithuZian, (=our own state check history)...now Lithuania=Polland flag is eagles as they gather there.
One Love Israel is a Water sprite from American Indian Lodge yet is Hawaiian....
It is one love (I am) = Not God is (We are) and Yes you are is who is (jesus) don't let a stone trip your self by following what Yes you are stands against....
We will try and make it easy...if you can see what we are getting at...
Peace Love AN Unity B WITH Us
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michellepetkus
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The way I see it, we are all one on a cosmic level, but currently living very personal experiences, with a some what thin planetarian consciousness. We will all reconnect one day but as of right now we are splintered trying to find our way back. I do not have any conscious recollection of the experiences you have been through and therefore am quite separate as a being while I am human. Knowing that we came from and will return to wholeness means I can do my best to help the other souls in their journey but the ultimate learning is up to them. So I get your point and why you use we instead of I but I am not in agreement with the philosophy, especially if it means that I have to stand against anything to be considered one. It seems a bit contradictory to me.
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wizanda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Have you read the 13 dimensions rainbow grid post its a cross references of our books, God gave us or the Diadems in the Bible as given to us...
Peace please else we will run off from here and go home as it scares me here also...we find it so hard in this world to understand....
As if you think of the birds communication they will have a say and then another will add to the melody, unless crows and ravens don't and will have a parliament where it is debated and if they disagree they say, "I beg to differ"...
Can’t we talk like sparrows or angels = eagles as one family?
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michellepetkus
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Don’t run away Wizanda, I’m trying to understand you. But if I am going to be perfectly honest I do have trouble catching your drift when I’m reading your posts. The I-we thing I kind of figured out but for the most part I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say because it does kind of seem that you are speaking in code. I do understand you had an NDE and experienced some things beyond what the world at large is aware of. Whether what you have said is absolutely true I cannot say for certain it is not so I have to take your word for it. The thing of it though is I feel like you are jumping too far ahead. I liken it to the ocean. You perceive that you have crossed this great ocean of understanding to reach a new continent. You are shouting at us on the opposite side to realize the beauty of what you have found. The problem is we cannot see you let alone hear what you have to say while you are on the other side. The ocean is in the way. And before people will be able to even begin to understand the concepts surrounding this new continent you found they have to cross an ocean of other understandings first. So maybe before you ask people to grasp onto these rather new understandings you have, help them cross the ocean first.
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wizanda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Hiya…
Why we wrote our website as we learned; yet no one listened when we started now it is just simple maths....1+1=2
All is in peace, we see what you say and will try, yet we need to see maths to understand that the universe is logic in interpretations and if not then there is a missing factor...
Which in a lot of what we say is already recorded on our sites our selves for everyone.
Hopefully to do what the ancients asked me at 15.
You think I speak like water?
Try when at 15 that all of nature talks as one to you, why I ran off and became a thief at 16 as we were scared of trying to read all the books and unite them.
Now it is sort of a trouble for me to relate it in a more simplified fashion as really the wise will shine and it is going into advanced quantum physics and atomic structure how to fix the geo thermal level and stuff along these lines so forgive me if God is complicated we try our best to realty it in the best way we know how, why we have so many prophets as that way you can tally everything that is said and test each and everyone before…also would do that with most words as considering each letter has a symbolic meaning also, then we haven’t even scraped the surface of genesis in 20,000 years or what ever the date is, help if science got off its higher horse of degrees and letters and started with a more systematic approach as in to let current Brahmin in.
As this is why society is falling as we remove the wise and replace with our choices.
God chooses where the seed is planted of a persons soul, like when an ant goes to see the queen to receive orders of what it must do….we have this in our souls consciousness and learning within that is what is needed globally as we all learning form the mind and not seeing the truths by the words written, instead of the poetic tones and music a person speaks.
Sorry if it is fast dynamic frequency, bit much we know, yet love you lot!
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sister goshe
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: I'm sorry |
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wizanda,
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand most of what you are talking about.
Truth is simple, truth is eternal and penetrates into the heart.
None of what you write does that for me.
I have been trying to understnad- perhaps this is just a friendly critique that if you have a message you need to work on the delivery.
It's not just me.
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wizanda
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wizanda
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Sorry you are right….
A thing of life must move in the wind….
That which is old and brittle snaps….
So basically this whole thread is on a subject that has finished; before it started, yet how can we Finnish it?
As regardless?
It isn’t a point of EGO as it has become yet the word religion is null and void to begin with, as even of religious tolerance that has been here a long time and tries to write good articles….. They can’t explain the word religion!
We could try yet as I posted in the other thread the word religion…giving the Egyptian meaning or ancient Hebrew, where a root of Latin and Greek languages come from.
From what I make it should be Spiritology, why I said we need to add up, it is getting tricky online and I am trying my best to go step beyond boxes and figure a better system for communication between us, as we are hitting brick walls don’t we, as everyone is expecting each other has read their other works…
Suppose we will need to yahoo 360 or myspace as well, we need to system link, yet how?
I could add a Spiritology wiki, yet that would take us all in one knowing it is there to get everyone’s thought's?
Yet my site, withouut being a big head is me trying this....
Of how to put it across and we are getting there....
From observing and new technology, we have had to learn programming and all sorts, fun tho.....
Ended up like neo, even if i did think he was a boring geek lol.
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michellepetkus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Wizanda,
I think what Sister was trying to say is she is having trouble connecting with you because she cannot understand you. Do you remember the part of your NDE when you spoke of how if people misunderstood you it was your fault? This is what that meant. It's not about changing your ideals or views. It's about phrasing them in a way that people can understand so they don't misinterprete your message, which I think may be happening a lot. It is likely that all of us have probably mistakenly assumed you meant one thing when you really meant another. So maybe your concepts are beyond todays understandings but if you want any hope of relaying any of it to people they need to hear it in a way they can comprehend so your point does not get misconstrued.
Michelle
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wizanda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think yet don't know, that maybe people just think I am advertising and don’t look at other peoples faces being the sites…
We all are being asked to make a website like that with all the (religious) =Realigionaires or as we changed to now Spiritology as how can we call them religion which means individual where they are interlinked search the mustard seed on our site is how we found it, as the PDF came back all as one...
So that is what I mean, just to take a quick look at a myspace yahoo 360 or any other display system of personas character is a good reference, the site is me, not the other way around and the religions are, as many people who come through over the years do...you ask them what they believe they say Islam or Christian?
What is that to do with the question, we were asking who they are?
Do you see why I find it so frustrating as how will we get any where if people proclaim a book before they claim God and claim their self parts of it, as in the word Namaste=I bless the God that is with in you and is all things...
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Reverend Loush
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: and again! |
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ok if any one is actually reading what this thread is suppose to be about, then lets talk about the idea of useing your practices in life, your rituals, your vocations, your meditations, etc..... as a tool to cultivate the soul so that it reaches a place of perfection eventually!
what we are all after i think is a way to bring the soul into harmony with God, and to bring our selves closer to his way of being! we are also after a feeling of safety and harmony with eachother, to have a real sense of community! the tenth isnight is dedicated to the idea of a global spiritual society that incorperates all peoples religious beliefes into the ultamite truth! that means that before we can have this society we have to learn how to accept that everyone is different then we are and rightly so! it is not just our commonality that we should celebrate it is our differences! it is in the differences that we learn from one another! that we are challenged to a place of learning! i do not try and convert anyone to my way of thinking nor will i be converted to anyone elses! but i think everyone no matter how much i personaly disagree with them has something valid to say about their experiance!
so again on topic, what is everyones personal way, or truth that they hold dear that they use as a tool to refine their own spirit's with?
please post some truth's that you hold dear about life, or a ritual or prayer or the like, that maybe we could all learn from!
oh and out of culteral respect! somone in an earlier post put that hawaiian was native american! actually it is polynisian! since i have hawiian friends and native heritage i just want to be respectful about that!
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wizanda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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13 Diadems = 13 Dimensions = 13 commandments = end of the Bible Crown =typo....
(1)…
Love Oneness entirely with all mind, body and soul always; if not fix it and say sorry for not doing so.
Humble your self, expecting nothing that you can do, can be done with out working in Oneness for all, not self.
Have No cares for (I am=) Ego, be still and trust in God is we are, and “yes you are”!
Live in Oneness, to live in God, live in self to live in EGO (=Viruses).
(2)…
No image of Good, as Oneness (=The Rainbow Logic) created already does a better job then idolatry (=Self Replicating Bacteria), as it is all of the reality.
So nothing we can imagine is then worthy as a picture of God; never!
So this means no colours, sexes, species, creatures and fauna as being God; as this is again our own perceptions, and created to begin in this reality; we perceive as real, all those are parts of God at all times!
(3)…
If God is all sounds (=quantum breath) and every frequency (=every colour), and has a different name in each country;
How can any one name suffice?
Oneness is all names and all sounds, life is poetry in motion and God’s breath is our reality.
Then singing from our Soul’s, opens the doors to oneness; allowing the lights within us to shine; as a child does, and we should!
Learn to hear without hearing, that all sounds are one and shouldn’t be fought within you.
(4)…
Be still and trust God, learn to meditate on good before you act in every action!
Life has up’s and down’s, spend time to reflect on what Oneness has shown you, by chance; to sail life, like the sea.
Spend at least one day of the week in reflection, so as to co-ordinate your weeks; else life will become disorganized.
Life moves faster then our souls, so be still, reflect, relate, compensate, dedicate not to circumnavigate, yet to go through the gate.
Learn to think without thinking, within contemplation is time lost, time is as perceived.
(5)…
God planted the seed of your spirit, in mother earth (atom) and you grow.
Your parents raised you, so respect the branches of your parents, by not being a burden to them.
Instead help their branches to grow also, and then plant new fruits; that the harvest then may grow, as Good is life and Atoms (=Adam) need Life (=Eve).
It is life (=quantum breath) that makes this precious, and atom that gives the nourishment to life to then grow; this is oneness and as a family should be.
(6)…
All is one, and all that lives is holy and precious; so all is equal and made of atoms (=Adams) and quantum’s (=eves)!
Do not kill anything that feels the pain of you doing so, this means suffering in death from you doing or thinking towards it.
All you see is one reality and made of life, so understanding you are a part of this and you will be what you take in to you.
(7)…
Clean thoughts as we are all consciousness and feel on a sub-conscious level; we act in atoms (=mind) and yet we think in quantum’s (=soul).
What spirit has joined does not separate easily, yet that which is lightly bonded, can easily come apart.
So don’t hold on to that which is easily broken (=body), or cling to something that you can not hold on to (=earthly love)!
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God created Oneness and then created the universe, so creating time; therefore knows already, what will happen before it started.
So do not steal; as you get what you need, when it is called for, not when you demand!
Heaven is above this reality we see a part and to take of this, is to then fall back down again.
Now is always outside of our own infinity, and this reality we perceive as being; if we grasp this, it moves further away, accepting infinity is our own responsibility, and is the now!
(9)…
Lies cause chaos, be honest with each other, and your selves, as Oneness sees all.
Help others by telling the truth, so that they may also change for the best as one big family.
Always look at the bigger picture of reality, to understand what is going on and not just our universe.
Learn to look without looking, understand the whole; then don’t look to see all is one.
(10)…
No desires, for it is the causes of sufferings to begin with.
Comparisons are the start of diseases.
Learning to accept and not to grasp is the key to understanding.
Unity brings peace, oneness is heaven.
To fight the EGO is a fear of self, so be free of desire and the EGO can’t chase you.
All must be tempted of desires within this reality, let go of self and desires will disappear then.
(11)…
Treat others as you wish to be treated always 100%!
Love Oneness with all your wealth (mammon) and spirit (life), then through this love, love others, never the other way around, else the energy will diminish.
Show all by example, that you are continuous in unconditional love with others with out counting it for your self worth; realise this was shown to you.
Learn that what you think of as genuineness can in fact be a selfish desire inherent in you for something else.
That Oneness above all, is all that is important, all you live for is to serve Good and life.
Understand that all knowledge and wisdom come from Oneness and the core is good.
In pure love and Faith from Good be fed, and understand this can be seen from the wisdoms painted in reality.
(12)…
God creates all wisdom and knowledge in the reality; only from Oneness does wisdom come.
By seeking first the kingdom of God, you will have an understanding of this reality. This wisdom is useless unless shared with others; share the light of wisdom to help people grow.
Be humble in your approach like a child in humbleness, yet like a parent in understanding.
Do not edify each other as this then produces EGO’s; what is then taught can be spoiled by (=I am).
Knowledge is found at the end of your nose, wisdom is found at the bottom of your toes; too much knowledge and you can’t see your toes.
All reality is perceived by the logic of God; those who walk the way of Wisdom find the root starts at one.
13!
Good is one, do not say my good is better!
All that we see is created by God, through wisdom and observation of the simplest things; we can see the ways of Good.
This is true in Zen, as Zan poems come from nature.
Yeshua’s (=Jesus) parables come from nature.
Lao Tzu’s poems come from nature.
We all have one true teacher, in observing the wisdoms of Oneness; we begin to perceive Good’s true nature.
13 dimensions are conceived by God, 13 colours, 13 sounds, and 13 months and designed to be simple, for a child.
= Spiritology ((((((((((Oneness))))))))))
Please continue in thread about it... thanks
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Reverend Loush
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: finnaly on topic!:) |
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well it seems funny that the person finnaly sharing their perception of the truth or their truth, is the person with whom the argument that started on this thread broke out with! well that is healing i guess! thanks for sharing your truth as you see it! do you have a daily practice or prayer, or ritual, or truth that you use personally to polish the mirror of your soul? something that brings you felt connection to God, or that better perfects your spiritual realtionship and harmony with God and nature?
for me i get up and say some morning prayers and ground myself in the divine energy and that is what helps keep me connected!
does anyone have anything that they think is appropriate or important for them to share? is there any personal truths that anyone here wants to share? something that they feel would be benificial to everyone elses daily life!
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