For those who talk about "your truth" and "my

[rishi]

Truth;

Most Dreaded and Useful







There is only one thing which the modern person fears more than death, and that is the idea there is such a thing as truth. Death to most people may be a great and terrible unknown, but it is nothing compared to the awesome and totally threatening implications of TRUTH ITSELF.



All of the world’s problems, every injustice, war, misery, disease, lingering fear and pain, have but one single cause, and that is the widespread denial of Truth.



Every single solution for the world’s ills, for war, corruption, social inequality, religious intolerance and the nature of true progress in general, stems from one single source -the implementation of Truth.



It is not from fear or pain that human beings run away, it is from their cause that they flee. They run as cowards and fools from the truth alone, for there is no greater enemy to society, tradition, consumerism, insanity or self destruction, than the Reality it encompasses. It is from this most dreaded and despised foe, the reality of truth, that people seek to escape. There is no greater source of panic, anxiety and anguish for the modern mind, than what is TRULY SO.



It is for the reasons listed above that the average person will literally DO ANYTHING and SAY ANYTHING, in an attempt to avoid the Truth. They will deny the existence of the most obvious, even if this contradicts not only their daily experience, but the experience of that very moment. People well claim total ignorance while in full and complete knowledge, not necessarily because they enjoy lying, but because they are horrified to admit something that they wished were not so. For the most part they do this not for the sake of avoiding any single aspect of truth or fact, but to utterly avoid TRUTH ITSELF, as the guiding principle of the Universe. To even suggest that it is such a thing as TRUTH which guides reality rather than human whim or desire, is to evoke considerable anger, fear and indignation from a human being. Given this, the human mind has even fashioned God in it’s own image, imagining that only THEIR personal nation, religion, and culture have any real meaning, implying that their wars are righteous, and that all the stars in the night sky exist only for their personal amusement. The human being will even go so far as to say that nothing can, or ever has existed without our say so, and that if a tree falls in a forest unheard, then that must surely mean it did not make a sound. Furthermore, to suggest that reality exists quite apart from the notion of humanity as the center of the universe or universal attentions, (such as the eternal fight between cosmic good and evil, God/Satan played out on an Earthly stage) is to invite condemnation by senator and janitor alike.



The Truth is; That which exists regardless of opinion or viewpoint, Natural Law(s), fact. The truth is composed of facts, and these are collectively known as “reality”.



Even after being given this definition of Truth, the average person will either insist that truth is personal, relative or subjective, or they will claim that although it exists, it can never really be known. The test of our wisdom is not in our ability to acquire knowledge, but what to do with that knowledge after it is acquired. It is here that humanity fails, not because we cannot conceive of the best course of action, but because we are unwilling to accept new conclusions and standards then those which history has already given us. In simple psychological terms, this is known as mass denial. The purpose of the denial of Truth is simple, THE AVOIDANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY. To acknowledge there is such a thing as Truth is to also be forced to acknowledge that the universe, like life, is not random. A non-random universe has direction, and even what may be called “goals” or “purposes”, not the least of which is known as, “evolution”. To acknowledge Truth is to realize that life itself, (and even our own individual lives, now and hereafter) have meaning and purpose of a specific nature.



Since a Universe based on Truth is conditional and specific, that means we as human beings are NOT at liberty to make up whatever we want to about life. With Truth in place, imagination, desire and whim are no longer the center of the Universe, implying that everything society now stands for is utterly false. Society tells us that human beings and their desires, are far more important than the content of a hundred billion galaxies and everything in between. It falsely claims that our own emotional gratification reigns supreme in the cosmic scope of things, while all that matters is whatever we wish to believe. That’s why there is such popularity in the belief that, “there is no Truth”, or that there is only, “my truth” and “your truth” which is basically saying the same thing as “there is no truth“. If truth is relative to each individual person, then how can two people with diametrically opposed view sit in the very same room together, without annihilating one another with their minds? Obviously there something more to truth than whatever we wish to believe upon waking up in the morning. Modern social structures can’t EVER afford to acknowledge that life has inherent meaning, one that does not need human approval or restructuring, without simultaneously admitting that long cherished norms are based upon nothing but arbitrariness. For if it did acknowledge truth then consumerism would become practicality, religious faith would become clarity, tradition would be replaced by innovation, national boundaries would dissolve, patriotism would be seen as misguided loyalty, logic would replace randomness, clear reasoning would transcend gossip and blind following, peace would replace war, and wisdom would arise where there had once been only ignorance.



To the question of, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound”? the answer is simple…yes, of course it still makes a sound. The natural laws of physics do not hang on the thread of human whim in order to find their fruition. The very question reeks of a center-of-the-universe sentimentality, presupposing that nothing at all can occur without our perception or permission. For the vast majority of people who believe this folly, there is a simple way of regaining basic sanity, and that is through HONESTLY answering the following question. Many will probably find they lack the personal power to do so, and yet it MUST be done…



The question is this;



“How did the universe function before there were ever human beings around to have opinions about it?”



Using modern thinking, if a tree needs a humans‘ perception to make a sound when it falls, then surely there were no sounds at all prior to the time when Homo Sapiens walked the Earth. Similarly, there must surely have been no light either, because if there was no one around to see the sun shine, did it still make a light? Of course it did. Furthermore, plants and animals grew, river sediments accumulated, cells divided, rocks were ground to sand on beaches, birds flew, storms dumped snow on mountain peaks and plains alike and water still flowed downhill. In other words all the natural laws which ran the universe did so regardless of being observed, and irrespective of being the subject of human opinion. The very concept of a, “NATURAL LAW“ implies a force or forces which operate at all places and times, without concern for anyone’s approval.



If you want to understand TRUTH and natural law, just contemplate the fact of life and evolution on this world, prior to human perception. Species of plants and animals have come and gone for millions of years prior to humanity. Obviously, reality does not need our observation or permission to run rather effectively.



Then there are those who seek to escape their responsibility for truth, by quoting such sayings as, “the three blind men and the elephant“. The story begins by claiming that truth is relative to perception, as “demonstrated“ by the three holding on to different parts of the same animal. The one touching a tusk says, “elephants are smooth, strong, hard and sometimes brittle“. The second holding a leg replies, “you‘re right about the elephant being strong, but it is not brittle, smooth or hard“. The third fool holding the tail gets irate, saying, “You are both idiots, an elephant is obviously a tall but spindly creature, not brittle but always twisting and agile“. People quote this saying as “evidence“ that there either is no such thing as truth, or that the truth is subject to perception. Yet the example is so completely flawed, so utterly irrational, as to be ludicrous. First of all, the analogy only works if you assume that all people are not only blind, but also incredibly stupid. . Even a blind person should be able to tell that there is more to an elephant than trunk, leg or tail, just by using their ears. Furthermore, we DO have eyes that see, ESPECIALLY when they’re open.



Secondly, the analogy assumes that the elephant is somehow changed just because it was misperceived in three separate ways. But the fact remains that the elephant, in its’ entirety and sophistication, remained the same creature regardless of human views about it. The most logical conclusion here is NOT that each blind man, “had his own truth” or that truth is somehow, “subject to perception”, but that the truth was and is unchanged, regardless of what anyone likes to imagine. It is not that each blind man was, “right in his own way”, but that ALL THREE WERE WRONG. You can no sooner do justice to the reality of an elephant by calling it, “trunk, tusk or leg”, than you can an ocean by calling it a, “drop, wave or wet”. Some will perhaps read this and say, that the three blind men are likened to what we still don’t know about the universe, and that our sciences are still in their infancy. Yes, of course our sciences are. But given this they will further seek to evade responsibility for the truth by concluding that, “truth is still evolving as our understanding of it evolves”, or that, “we will never fully understand truth, therefore we don’t need to take reality seriously, since that concept will change radically with each passing decade”. Truth does not evolve as our understanding of it improves. The truth remains the same regardless of our understanding. Secondly, just because we don’t yet know EVERYTHING about reality, does not mean that we KNOW NOTHING. It is for those known basics THAT WE DO KNOW, for which humanity MUST hold itself accountable. We ALL know certain facts about the truth, such as people need to breathe and sleep, that love is more healthful for the body than fear, we know that the heart beats and the lungs take in oxygen, that apples are better to eat than driveway gravel or arsenic, and that gradations of feeling and intelligence exist. These basics and countless others, are part and parcel of our daily existence. We know that water runs downhill, that the natural laws of resonance, vibration, spectrum, harmonics, dissonance, gravity/attraction, the proofs of geometry, polarity, the principles of circuit and energy flow, and a huge host of other basics, form the basis of repeated experiment and consistent technology. We know that pollution is damaging to life, that the Earth is not flat and that we orbit a stellar body known as a SUN. We ARE accountable for these and many other obvious facts, which compose reality. There are none so blind as those who will not see this.



We see such thinking as the three blind men analogy, applied in every single aspect of the modern world. In international relations, what is assumed to count most is not the truth, (facts) but who can put the most convincing “spin” or “interpretation” on any given incident. In everyday conversation we find that it is not facts that are most often quoted in honest debate, nor logic given to support conclusion made, but rather, who can tell the most convincing lies and project their self image most forcefully. On the religious scene we see that every faith says, “our God is the only God“, and/or that, “our scriptures are the highest among all” while at the same time taking great pains to avoid factual discussion, or logical analysis of their own beliefs. It is not that every nation, person and religion has, “their own truth” (as if all these different and often contradictory “truths” could possibly exist simultaneously). What little truth there is contained in the modern world is only had in small part by each person, nation and belief, and it is this, “thread of truth” as it is called, which forms the only REAL common ground between all beliefs, nations and persons. It is not that each largely erroneous belief system is in turn, “right in it’s own way” but like the three blind men, they are ALL in the vast majority, mostly WRONG. If the human race is to survive all the largely false and arbitrary notions of the modern world, then it MUST begin using truth as the foundation for all debate and wise action. The same may be said of every individual, so that they might actually mature into wise, intelligent and progressive beings.



The truth is the very essence of further human evolution, and spiritual progress of all kinds. Without it we can only flounder in wishful thinking or sheer delusion. With truth as our foremost guide in life however, we then can address reality on its’ own terms. In truth we can create relationships and a society where enlightenment is the rule, rather than the exception.



Further reading; Lessons of the Soul series

The Perpetual Raising

In the Library of….

Matthew Webb visionquest@eoni.com

The World Mind Society http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest
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[michellepetkus]

Hello Matt,



Very intelligent analysis about Truth. Really well done. The only problem is if people don't know what the Truth is, as you say, they are going to make it up until we actually figure it out, so we are really still stuck in the same soup. I also don't know that people are necessarily choosing to avoid the truth. Yes, in some moral instances they are but when they feel justified in their actions they may not necessarily be conscious of how their actions contradict their own truths. They truly don't see it in themselves. So to be able to start living by the Truth one does need to have a certain level of self awareness. None the less this was very much a very interesting read.



Michelle

[wizanda]

Agreed



Just to add the Dimensions to it all for us to look at past it, is



7th is that we feel each others thought in Anti-Matter, so you can hear the lies if you know how as all comes to light!

8th is infinity and so all the stealing of texts and hiding things have been seen.

9th is chaos and this stems from lies, so because this sits here, we see many of you lost in spiritual growth due to all the lies in society.

10th is Zion and the matrix you exist in and once you free you mind of desires you will accelerate your growth past It to oneness that exists out side of atoms.

Above it is oneness, so if you under unconditional love and wisdom of God then all is open to us....

Yet don't expect the beast that exists and you have remarkable labelled with out labelling.



Peace Love AN Unity B WITH Us



Your Elephant is also the same as the mustard seed and that is also the same in all the books, yet it is an Indian elephant, a Mongolian elephant, and a Jewish elephant and all the rest….

So they are different as the shapes are slightly different, yet they still eat the same food and love the same.

So the mustard seed is one and that is truth… yet people want to see 2 mustard seeds and that is daft as they will struggle and strangle each other.
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[michellepetkus]

Hello Wizand,



You've mentioned the mustard seed before and you may have even explained it but would you mind explaining again what you perceive the mustard seed symbolizes. Just so I know what youre getting at.



Thanks,

Michelle

[wizanda]

Yeh, we added it as an article…

As one day by chance we searched our site and the PDF books showed how the mustard seed was in each!

So we added them all in one article for others to see it, which contains the Dhamapada, the Upanishad, the Quran, and the Bible as one....

So meaning the mustard seed is to break out the box, and so help others also grow.

Not with religion and dogma, yet with the love God gives around us all, which all grow from and all learn from the same if they break out the box.

The article is on my site, not being funny, just a lot of text and will start clogging this forum with religions…

Our site is therefore on Spiritology note, to get away from the books of ours being religions; yet a guide to life instead and things not to do and to learn from.

So as long as James and admin realize, we are just helping and not out distracting.

Then we can share our networks, as we did plan to 3-4 years ago when we first contacted James, yet still no reply?



Mustard Seed Books
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[michellepetkus]

Thanks Wizanda. I will check it out. You and Matt seem to have something in common, neither of you got a response from James. Maybe you two should talk.



Michelle

[matt]

Hello Matt, Wizanda and Michelle all



Truth == Love. Try substituting

[wizanda]

Ok let’s rephrase it to our new way of looking at this, as we posted a while back on a post on our forum....



What is the sound of Silence?

Have you ever heard it?

Will you ever hear it?

Where is it?

In all them questions, when will you ever hear it?



Stilll more to add...will go find the post and be back...
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[matt]

When noise settles, silence will be heard. It is always there; it has to be there for we were simply distracted by noise.



It is like peace. Change "silence" to "peace". Peace is always with us. It is movement that clouds it. Peace cannot be found yet movement can be lost.



We cannot seek peace as we cannot seek silence. In by doing so, we shall never find them. Truly, we lose our noise... then we have everything again.



love,

matt

[wizanda]

Namaste!

What if the noise is designed to be a miss frequency?

So that it causes that silence to appear as noise it self...

Some see it as still...

What would you do to show this?
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[rishi]

Brother Matt, you said,



"I always thought it was meant to be rhetorical; how do we know the tree actually fell? "



We know by virtue of simply observing, or, observing simply.



This is the first step in the scientific method. Observe repeatedly. Draw conclusions based upon the evidence. Experiment to see if your premise is correct. If continued experimentation reflects your conclusion then this lends great credence to it's factuality. If further experimentation does NOT reveal the factuality of your conclusion, re-examine the data and formulate a better conclusion....etc. Were it not for these methods, we would not have such technology as these computers upon which to write.



In essence, go out into the Field and observe that the tree has fallen over or not. Skeptics can give it a few extra kicks to see that it's not a hologram or an alien mind-trick.



Furthermore, if tree "a" falls, (as observed) the sound "b" was assuredly created upon the impact of tree "a' with ground, "c'. Previous experience has shown that when collisions occur in an atmosphere, the disturbance of atoms via the inertia of other atoms generates waves of force known commonly as, "sound".



Basic scientific method, friend. We can't ignore that when endeavoring spiritual progression. The mind MUST come with the spirit, or else we end up inventing religions, or believing existing ones....
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[matt]

Ahhh you obscure the joke with an explanation... I answered a joke with a joke, but unfortunately computers are unable to convey the curve of my lips.



But you are absolutely correct in your explanation nonetheless, yet I would never have applied such precision to this joke. But this joke is more than that for you, hence your understanding. Coincidentally, the same joke is more than that to me also, hence my understanding.



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Wizanda, where do the waves begin and the oceans end? Are not the waves the oceans also? Then are the oceans made from waves? Where do the oceans begin and the waves end?



So many details... and so many lifetimes to discard them all in.



What is silence for one man is noise for another; if a tree falls and no one witnesses it, how do we know it made a sound?



Consider the quality and not the quantity of those words. The essence of our soul and the essence of this reality reflect that statement and they are perpendicular by arrangement. Perhaps as a "T" or perhaps as a "+" but where they meet our expression resides. Hence if one perceives the quantity then they are no less correct than he who perceives the quality in it.



love

matt

[michellepetkus]

Wow, very deep Matt.





Michelle

[michellepetkus]

Ok Wizanda, I think I see what you are getting at. The mustard seed represents the truth Rishi spoke of but each religion may describe it in a slightly different way thus causing all the conflicts in life when in reality they really are speaking the same truth? If that is a correct assessment of the symbolism behind the mustard seed I couldn't agree more.



Michelle

[wizanda]

Sort of yet the Mustard seed means get our heads, out of the box and grow so big from one nation it spreads to another....



Also the Mustard seed stand directly against the end of the Bible which is by the Anti-Christ being the fake sect that murder and killed to begin...



We can not have half truths like that in our society, they murder forced people to eat meat and the sentence of torture and death finally and they talk of love?



Christ is spot on a pre-warns as does the Bible yet many choose to say let it be leave it ect, yet later in our histories we have then maybe a generation or two later and wham bam world war 3/2/1/crusades/teutonic knights/templar knights/1066 are religious wars of said point...



So this is a two part mustard seed as one planted it, yet then a second contains it and uproots it on purposes to make money out of it by charging it for water and food that is normally free in the soil and with the light we all see and learn from this around us.



Yet with many of the mustard seeds who have their head out of one Box, have had a second one made and a third, so once you start, they will find a box to fit you in!



Life is flipping circle…

Me personally as you see from my latest articles are growing again, yet how can we spread our branches, when no matter where I lay my root, they come and find me and kill any harvest each time?



This whole plan of a spiritual evolution of planet and us, means us understanding this that was set before us all, as clearly the Bible is laid as snare and that is never talked about or shown...mainly as Paul said don't read the old testament with out his guidance what a joke he has no clue what he is on about and when declaring all are sinner quotes from a references that says the fool says in his heart there is no God and all are sinners....



So do we take an impression from a clearly not good print to begin with, or do we get to the bottom of the roots and remove the poisons from our soils?



Please be aware i have no offence meant to anyone individually, yet i have to say i was sent 100% and provable to do this, of going over this said point with the nations.



Problem is as you see on here and any where else i have mentioned it, they flip and gnash their teeth which are also foretold....



Yet many won't see this as they have become an anti-Christ their self’s, as they close consciousness tell you faith is a religion as they Got told it...



How do we plan to move on and go global if each time they shoot our representatives like JFK, Nelson Mandela, even the last Pollish pope I believe was shot for standing up to much and anyone who chooses to stand for what is right?



The main part in all of that is this Armageddon means Megiddo which is place name and a place name doesn't mean that in the Bible and never did, it is stupid translators misrepresentation as each place name is a meaning not a people...that is segregation and isolation not God's way yet that of man....So really Armageddon means those who shout out and that is the point!



If we all shout out and more and more of us do, most sheep follow the masses not the truth....



So between us in understanding it and the major religions do what was set in motion by our self’s in past life times to make this ready....

Which in no ways is to fight, and most shaman are musically talented....



the idea is one world band and one world music which lets us all come together under our different flags, and nations as one to praise God as one.



Yet to succeed in this it will take first the unity that can only be achieved by destabilising the fake church, which sands against Christ and goes by the name of Christianity.... it is like a sick joke, as Christianity is the most far from Christ's teachings and it is no way fair....



I was brought up in a huge Christian family, my auntie -Christine (all names in my life are arranged) has a Christian books shop called the mustard seed of all names yet she is so far removed from me, she doesn't even know that we are the one she has waited for; an we have no plans of telling her....

Why?

She doesn't want the truth...she wish to follow the masses as do most and that is a huge problem....

For you have people like us talking peace and saying look it is from our heart....

The people like my auntie-Chris that wants everyone to be as her and believe Christ is God and dies for you....



Lies as we have told her since birth, and knew when I was 5 years old that i would have to do this when older....

So i ran off an became a thief as written to hide from God, yet it didn’t work lol, so at 24 read the Bible and found that Revelations chapter 10, I had done previously at 21 word for word including thunder and all references being asked to by God....

So after finding that, I decided I couldn’t really put it off as after spending my life already studying all religions as asked, we found that as soon as we read the Bible we remembered it as in the writers sitting there with a candle and recording it to begin....



We have always remembered much of Yeshua life since birth and that helps as a character reference...



Yet what we have found now at 28 after all the research is that John, Paul Simon can not be trusted and as such stand against the commandments, Yeshua, Christ, us and life its self being God.



We will never find religious tolerance until this is fixed....



This is Muslims problems, Buddhist, and all the rest as these points are not holy and as such should not be included.



The Bible is never a book that is to be closed yet is a history books to help our self’s, so to stop the last 2000 years history makes it a bit rusty.



Especially when in 1066 Christ was back in England and they destroyed it all and killed him again.

Straight after he came back for the abomination of desolation that happened and passed, yet they don't choose to tell you this as to keep you in fear!



The diadems at the end of the Bible on the one with the new name of Christ are really dimensions...



I don't want to fight any more all I want is to make love, yet all my life’s, I have been bullied and hurt for being a loving person.....



Why?



As you can't contain, the human spirit and the more people have tried to contain it the stronger our children try and break it, so fighting each other more and more.....







Peace Love AN Unity B WITH Us
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