The Zeitgeist Movement

[TheEpiphanizer]

I am very exited about this.
The Zeitgeist Movement advocates a complete overhaul and redesign of our social structure on this planet, with completely new efficient, sustanable, integrated, cybernated city systems built anew from scratch. Our old infrastructure is falling apart, not to mention the massive amount of pollution
it releases into our atmosphere.

In such a saner world, there would be no need for a monetary system,
because goods and services could be produced in such abundance that it would be insane to try to sell it: just like the air we breathe, it is free 100% of the time, so there is no need to purchase it.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf
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[Wizard]

Very nice post TheEpiphanizer Here in Greece many people have wathed this movie and many shows in television are having discussions about Zeitgeist and showing clips from both movies. In many countries communities have been created for Zeitgeist and the venus project. In greece of course too. There are many action here in Greece where people are searching different ways of taking energy like wind sun and many other things......It is really very beautiful. I wonder what James redfield believes about Jacques Fresco and Peter Joseph the creators of zeitgeist.... I think, but I am not sure, that in US people don't know about these documentaries. Has anybody any idea?
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[finraziel]

I often wonder what the world would be like without money and corruption. Movements like zeitgeist and the celestine vision are appearing all over the place and I hope the word spreads.

In a time of uncertainty, it is good to see that the world is not such a bad place. It is an important time in our country at the moment because tomorrow is the day we find out who will be the new leader of the government. I will not be voting. Maybe I'm ignorant. The media is biased and the British people are being spoonfed propaganda and jump on any bandwagon when told to.

We are moving towards a social and spiritual revolution.

Welcome to the forum TheEpiphanizer.

[TheEpiphanizer]

I wish The States would allow this stuff on television,
there simply isn't enough interest or knowledge here.
I sent a letter to my local public broadcasting station about it
and am waiting for a reply.

Propaganda is an unfortunate component of every country that uses money.
I don't know how bad it is in Britain, but here in the states it is particularly arggravating when they manage "elect" someone like George W. Bush twice in a row.
I honestly have no faith in the current global establishment which preaches that we must use money and submit to being components of obsolete nation states that fight wars with one another. We are one people, and we share one planet.
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[finraziel]

The tabloids brainwash the majority of the public, telling them who to hate, who to like and this election is unbelieveable. According to them, everyone is a terrorist or paedophile or anything else to scare the British public.

I really do not wish to cause offence, but our media is scaremongering just like the American media does to its people and it has gotten worse over the past few years. The people are being led to believe that the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are true heroes fighting for us. I realise that they have a job to do and do not choose where to serve. No one wanted the war in this country.

9/11 was a devastating tragedy for your nation, but I don't think people realise the deceit and betrayal inflicted upon them by the authority that they elected. I really do not want to be political, especially on this forum because we only want to spread love and light amongst eachother. I just wish everyone could see the beauty around them and think for themselves in this country.

Awareness is increasing about the greater good and I hope it isn't too long before people wake up.

[TheEpiphanizer]

I completely agree.
I strongly feel that The Zeitgeist movement has a plan of action
which will be effective toward exactly that effect.
Hence me bringing it up everywhere on the internet that I can think of
and gain access to
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[TheEpiphanizer]

I was very disappointed to see that this wikipedia article had been deleted.
I have little doubt that our fascist establishment is responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource-based_economy
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[Grahame]

Hi guys, in 1970 in Australia to guys (David Holmgren and Bill Mollison) coined the term Perma-culture. Since then the movement towards sustainable communities and agriculture that work with nature instead of against it has been spreading world-wide.

If anyone was really serious about doing something in terms of changing the way we treat and view our world they really need to look into permaculture as a basis for the way they behave. There are a number of clearly defined principles and pathways out there in the literature and a lot of good work and projects going on around the world.

The highly recommend the Permaculture Research Institute web page as a starting point.

www.permaculture.org.au

I admit I have never bothered to watch the Zeitgeist movies as the ideas of permaculture and my spiritual leanings have already pointed me into the sustainable lifestyle direction.

Remember it is up to YOU.
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[TheEpiphanizer]

Grahame, thanks for the input, I'll be sure to check it out.

The Zeitgeist Movement does more than just contemplate internally
(spiritual introspection), they're out there doing something, being activists
working diligently to create a better world by spreading awareness of the inherent fallibility of the monetary system, which is essentially the root cause
of all of the worlds worst problems today; war, poverty, corruption, social stratification, pollution, etc. The videos are great, in that they're catchy
and grab people's attention more easily [given the cultural meme of intentional mental laxity that is so dominant today] but the written activist orientation guide is really the most in depth and well articulated explanation of our situation if you're interested: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf
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[Grahame]

Thanks Epiphanizer,

I started to read the document you read to me, I got to page 42 and realised I had read enough. From my perspective, the flaws started to add up here and I became more and more distracted by how I was going to respond to it (perhaps it says something about me that I was already creating a response in my head even though you were really the only person I could aim that response to).

I think there is a paradigm in the essence of the text that started to become obvious and of which I wasn't really convinced by. Perhaps you could call it the vibe. I particularly started to baulk when it started to talk about energy and the supposed availability of energy, and the need for so much energy. I am almost convinced that we have already reached peak energy (not just peak oil) and even though there are some very promising alternative energy sources out there, they actually require increasing inputs of energy to extract decreasing energy returns.

David Holmgren has done some very interesting work in relation to peak energy that you may find interesting or perhaps enlightening.

http://www.futurescenarios.org/

Don't get me wrong, I think there are some important messages in the Zeitgeist information you pointed me too, and i think it is very important that more people get their heads around that sort of thinking, but I also think that it is in danger of out-smarting itself and creating just another paradigm.

I was probably a scientist once, but now I am less convinced of the value of science, and I find its reductionist and isolationist methods to be at odds with my holistic view of the universe...

Here is an example taken from the text...

What do we need? This is a very powerful question, for, besides food, water and shelter, most on the
planet today have no idea what they really want or need, for they have never been informed as to the
true state of technology. What we think we need is a direct result of the state of society’s awareness of
technological development. For instance, a person 300 years ago might need a needle and thread to
fix a torn shirt. Today, they would think they need an electronic sewing machine...yet.... more
accurately, what they really need is a kind of shirt material that doesn’t tear easily or at all.
Someone who has dust in his or her home would think, “I need a vacuum cleaner”. Are they sure?
Perhaps what they actually need is a household pressure system that does not enable dust to enter or
is equipped with electrostatic air filters that eliminate what little dust there is and destroys air borne
bacteria.

Aren't we (scientists) now finding that it is this sort of 'clean living' that is cause of the increasing incidences of diseases such as Asthma because our immune systems are not being exposed to low level infections?

I know I am just picking out one assumption/example about what is a good technological advancement but in truth science often fails to see the bigger picture because it is proving rather than truly observing.

Perhaps all we really need is a cave, a fox fur to wrap around us and a fire to sleep by??

I'm all for getting rid of the monetary system, I'm all for using some of the principles of science as tools and you know, stopping wars, but I'm not convinced that the Zeitgeist movement has really come up with anything substantial.

I could go on and dissect that paper in detail but I don't want to seem confrontational. If you are interested let me know and we could go through it and discuss it bit by bit

Grahame
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[ThunderWalker]

One thing to bear in mind though is that Zeitgeist is (or has been said to) be associated with "the venus project" which has some good ideas, but it is strictly technology-oriented and fundamentally unspiritual. Now, I didn't merely say "non-religious", they are openly aetheistic. Hardly the type of thing we should be promoting on a spiritual message board such as this.

"In such a saner world, there would be no need for a monetary system"

You're absolutely correct. But you can be sure that the Dark powers will do everything they possibly can to make sure the monetary system (which IS of the Dark side) lasts into eternity. They intend to circumvent the forces of evolution.

[TheEpiphanizer]

@ ThunderWalker

The Zeitgeist movement is far from non-spiritual. Most religious people today do nothing but sit around and pray and wait for things to happen.
TZM is actually doing things, many times in videos I've heard Jaqcue Frescoe say that The Venus Project is really the embodiment of all the world's religions, without the rigamarole.

I also felt that calling the establishment "The Dark Powers" is a bit misplaced.
There is no such thing as a good or bad person and everyone is a potential contributor if you don't immediately stereotype them like that.
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[MM2]

It has been a while since I read about the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist movement but the impressions I remember is that the zeitgeist movement is in some ways very confrontational and based a great deal on conspiracies and in some cases generalizations. Thats dangerous ground if we're not extremely careful.

The Venus Project itself though, when I first read about it, reminded me of what the world might look like when James described it in the 9th insight. I find it very appealing in many ways. Like all ideas, if you carry it too far into the extreme, like Graham mentions with the super diseases caused by our extreme cleanliness, it could cause new problems.

But I still like it. I would have to watch and read about it again because like Graham a few concerning things popped out. I don't think the comments about energy were a problem for me though as I don't think humans have even begun to tap into the true energy potential of the universe and possible extra dimensions. I think we have hit peak oil, but new ways of extracting energy are far from limited. At the moment I would agree that most of the energy methods being examined now seem to take as much or more energy to get anything useful out of them, but the large hadron collider in Geneva could cause a massive paradigm shift that could allow us to unlock matter and energy at a fundamental level.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6uKZWnJLCM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_hadron_collider
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