Afterlife and the 10th insight I am confussed

[Leila]

I am not scientific (:- ) I am very right brained. Expressive, creative, make neat greeting cards, make a table of food look like a magazine, play the piano. I am sensitive to animals, I feel like crying just thinking of people being cruel to animals or animals having no family. When i am joyful, I explode with joy. I can read my patients, know what is going on, it is one of my ways of being intuitive. When I say to them, this is what I think is happening, am I right? they nod yes. I am very kinesthetic, my feelers are out there. I can sense the needs of my patients and am good at image building with them. I feel connected to nature, I am going a little overboard with money planting 3 big trees on property that isn't mine to see more nature and give the birds another place to rest. I have written poetry thru sensitivity, years ago it poured out in pain after a break up, I have tried to get it published. I am hurt easily but realize it is part of my nature to be soft so I don't take it personally and move on or express myself. I have water signs in my chart. I know sensitivity has its negative sides in that way, I accept it because of my high level to feel. I know this more than you asked for. leila Scientific? could you be projecting??
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There is that law in life so cruel and so just that demands that one grow or pay more for remaining the same.

[bobbie]

Leila, I think she was posting that for eggnostic.

You sound quite sensitive to me.



Namaste

[Leila]

That is really funny. Now you know me. hehe. Leila
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There is that law in life so cruel and so just that demands that one grow or pay more for remaining the same.

[michellepetkus]

Hi Lelia,



Yes, the question was for Eggnostic but it was nice to get to know you a little better. You sound like a very kind, caring, compassionate soul.



Thanks for clarifying Bobbie.



Michelle

[eggnostic]

Michellepetkus,



You are of course correct in pointing out that I value and act primarily from scientific mind. It is certainly not the only perspective I choose to see things from, but it is often the most useful in terms of checking something for accuracy. It does not have to exclude other perceptions, it only has to question them.



I honestly do not see how this conflicts with anything "spriritual" or "psychic". My core belief is that if something exists in this universe, then there is a rational explanation for it. I don't believe there is anything that cannot be explained - although there may be things that we don't yet understand, that does not exclude them from ever being understood rationally. This includes 'psychic' phenomena. Once we grow to understand these phenomenon they will be called 'science'. Chaos is a term we currently impose on levels of order that are to complex for us to understand at the time we apply that label.



I have seen energy fields, as described in the celestine prophesy. They appeared as masses of tentacles, swirling around people, interacting with each other. The electromagnetic fields / auras / whatever- are real, science has already proven that. Its a kind of radiation. However, the fact that I saw them with my eyes was a hallucination (the human eye can not percieve something that is invisible) - the tentative explanation I have come up with is that I sensed/felt these fields on a level closer to instinct, and I subconsciously imposed the visual aspect of of the fields themselves.



So just because I question my subjective experience of an event, does not mean that I deny the event itself. Make sense?



Same idea behind speaking to dead people. I don't want to be misunderstood to be denying a phenomenon all together - but thats often what happens when I question peoples' subjective interpretations of said phenomenon.



Anyways, I say that I am a highly sensitive person because I have managed most of my life based primarily on a very sharp intuition. I understand why 'follow your gut' is actually a very literal expression. My sensitivity to other people is strong - I instantly spot subtleties in other people that betray their underlying emotional conditions, desires, conflicts, and what appears to be mind reading. To me, most people (with a few strange exceptions) are like the emperor with no clothes - I see them completely exposed. Interactions with people are overwhelming and it can take a long time to recharge. I walk down the street and the pressure of people looking at me is crippling. The sound of cars rushing by is a direct assault on all my senses. The smallest nuances in my environment can trigger very powerful emotions. I do not feel properly shielded from anything. There is more, but that should give you an idea of why I made that claim.



Of course, a lot of the time i'm much too caught up in my own games to expound upon these sensitivities. Many times i'm caught up in a conflict between being sensitive and being overly rational. But as I said earlier, I am trying to advocate a balance between the two - I don't think its very wise to rely solely on one or the other.



In the past I have been very willing to change my opinions when they are found to be faulty. However I am still waiting for even a single person on this forum to deliver a rational argument back to me.



-egg

[michellepetkus]

Dear Eggnostic,



I had made an assumption about you that maybe was wrong. I based it on the fact that it seemed as though most of your posts were antagonistic and defensive. Though you asked to be challenged it seemed to me as though you were just looking to pick a fight but your weren?t really interested in trying to understand another?s point of view. You just wanted the opportunity to rail against your opponent and claim your victory so that you could feel good about yourself. It is because of this perception of you that I assumed you were probably just a little too closed spiritually to be in tune with the higher levels of energy. My mistake.



It is interesting that you speak of auras as being invisible. I assume, since you are somewhat scientifically inclined, that you have read, ?What The Bleep Do We Know?? If you haven?t you should because it speaks a little to this concept. It basically states the theory that our eyes are more than likely capable of seeing much more than we do now. It is our belief systems that only allow us to see certain things but as those beliefs change we may indeed be able to see much more then we currently do. It?s quite fascinating.



I think one of the reasons that you don?t feel properly shielded is because you are allowing other people?s negative energy to enter into your system. The fact that you can see people?s motives, on an intuitive level, means that you have a high level of conscious awareness. But just because you are conscious of the reasons behind people?s actions does not mean you have to let them bring you down. In my case it has actually liberated me from getting pulled into their negative turmoil. I think I first noticed it a number of years back around Christmas time. I was actually on top of the ball that year and got all my shopping done early. I had absolutely no stress what so ever about the holiday and yet when I drove past a mall I had an overwhelming sense of panic about getting my shopping done. It was at that point that I realized that I was picking up on the energy of the shoppers in the mall. Having that awareness allowed me to see that I could indeed separate myself from other people?s emotional energy as long as I had an awareness of my own state of mind. But this concept can also apply on an individual basis too. Understanding the contradictions in people?s actions and words can help you to understand why they may be acting negatively. In general it is not because they want to pull one over on you or deceive you in any way. They do it because they fear something. They fear getting in trouble, they fear hurting someone?s feelings, they fear confrontation. Knowing this means you can separate yourself from their actions and realize that whatever it is they are doing it has nothing to do with you. They are doing it because they are reacting from an emotional level that they cannot control. But you, having a high level of conscious awareness, are now in the driver?s seat. You have the power to deflect their negative fear energy by just not accepting it as your own. Hopefully this may help you walk down the street a little more peacefully. Because in the end I have found that most people do not intend to be mean or malicious. Most people in fact want to be nice it is just that they cannot control their fears and worries.



I think expecting a rational explanation of the science behind ghosts and psychic phenomenon is asking a little much from the people in this group. They are not scientists and are therefore unqualified to give you the physiological reasons they occur especially when even the top scientists of the day cannot. But even you stated that just because it can?t be explained today doesn?t mean it doesn?t exist. We just haven?t figured all the dynamics out. If you truly believe this to be the case they why are you so insistent on dismissing it? I also believe in finding a balance between science and spirit which would stand to reason that there is a scientific and spiritual explanation for everything. If at this point we don?t have the scientific explanation then all we have for the time being is the spiritual and what?s wrong with starting there?



Michelle

[eggnostic]

After thinking about your ideas concerning a balance between spirituality and science, I believe that what we need is actually integration of spirituality and science. They could complement each other, instead of being in opposition. From what I understand, the lessons of quantum physics have taught us that the two need never conflict, as long as you are deadly accurate in the words you use to describe them. I believe it was Alphred Krozybsky, in General Semantics, who invented a language called e-prime, which does just that. Let me give you an example:



Conversation in Standard Language



Spiritualist 1 says: When a person dies, the soul leaves the body, and continues to live on. Certain people have the ability to sense and to communicate with that soul.



Spiritualist 2 replies: Exactly, we are all eternal beings and our body is just a temporary shell.



Scientist replies: Your claim is empty because we can not prove the existance of a soul. It is clear through observation that when a person dies, then they are no longer capable of communication. You can not back up your claim, so it is false.



Same Conversation in English Prime



Spiritualist 1 says: There are several times when I have experienced a strange phenomenon: it seemed as though I was communicating with a person who was already dead.



Spiritualist 2 replies: This is interesting because I have had the same experience. I don't have an explanation for what happened, but I had the clear impression of communicating with something that could not be seen or touched in the conventional sense.



Scientist replies: I must admit there have been times when I seemed to feel a kind of presence in the room with me. I don't have an explanation for this either, but the experience itself seemed real.



Note that in the first converstion, the spiritualists made definitive/absolute statements regarding the event. They claimed to know exactly what was happening. In turn, the scientist invalidated the claims, because logically they could not prove it was true.



In the second conversation, the people were using e-prime so they avoided using absolute statements, and only stuck to the facts. They used SEEMED TO BE instead of IS. The fact was that the spiritualist had a specific experience, and of course the scientist could not deny the experience itself, although various explanations would be up for analysis. In e-prime, a clear way for me to phrase a questionable statement to a skeptic might be:



"I had this experience where I seemed to be communicating with a dead person. My subjective interpretation of this is that when a person dies, there soul goes to the other side. This is not based on known facts, it is based on a deep intuition I feel about it - an intuition that I feel is very accurate, although I wouldn't be able to prove it to you at this time. I am open to discussing it though, in the hopes that we could all learn something new about what actually happened."



Speaking this way is not easy to do. Try it as an expirement. You will probably be amazed at the amount of ISM's you use every day. Imagine how much conflict in the world would be negated if everyone stuck to the facts - "this was my experience of what happened" or "to me, this seemed to be what happened" instead of "this IS what happened". Interestingly, throughout history - it seems to me that the more experience someone has along a spiritual path, the more they tend to speak in 'maybes' instead of 'absolutes'.



Speaking for myself, I will definitely make a stronger effort to speak this way, especially on forums like this.



Regarding not being properly 'shielded' - I have done extensive contemplation and analysis about this, from many angles. To sum up my favorite model: there is a known mechanism in the human brain that is responsible for something called 'sensory saturation'. This is evident when you are in a crowded/noisy room, and are able to 'tune in' on a single conversation, the volume in the rest of the room seems to drop significantly. This seems to be an involuntary/unconscious event that I think many people take for granted. I suspect there are many people, myself included, who are not able to effectivley do this, and overstimulation/bombardment from the environment wears them down. I have a high level of awareness about myself and others, but strangely enough that has not been at all liberating - in fact its been tormenting. I can be perfectly aware of having a panic attack, for example, but the anxiety persists regardless. I have an intimate understanding of the control dramas I use, am aware of it when i'm playing them, but still feel helpless to make a choice. Its like BEING wasted drunk, KNOWING that you are wasted drunk, but that doesnt change the fact that you are still wasted. It makes ignorance look like a nice alternative:) I have been awake several times (first time at a mall! - and have been able to transcend all of this, without controlling it, it was like taking a car thats revving out of control, and putting it into neutral. Didnt change the revving, but it freed the car from spinning out of control, and it brought hope. However those have never lasted long, and I go right back to being in the car, clutch engaged and spinning out of control, with complete awareness of the alternatives but no way to put it back in neutral. That is my definition of hell:)

[AOmega]

Ok so if I'm dead and trapped in my own "hell" refusing to aknowledge my own death, how would I know that this is the case?

[Leila]

Do you mean like a ghost? or staying close to earth? maybe thru peoples' prayers, maybe there is a knowing, a light that goes on like here on earth. Maybe our spirit guides gently call us home and we go thru the light. leila
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There is that law in life so cruel and so just that demands that one grow or pay more for remaining the same.

[AOmega]

uh yeah, that didnt help.

[Leila]

maybe I'll think about it or someone can do the subject more justice. Leila
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There is that law in life so cruel and so just that demands that one grow or pay more for remaining the same.

[Dr.No.]

When it comes to the afterlife....

we just have to wait and see, don't we?





Dr.No.

Shaman

[AOmega]

Well heres the thing, sometimes I think I may possably be dead and stuck in an illusion. Am I? How do I figure out for sure?

[Dr.No.]

Trust me on this

If I answer this, as a reply on your question,,,

You are very much alive..

trust me on that.



yes life is hell sometimes..

I know, for I was trapped in a hellish state

of chronic severe depression with panicattacs for many years.

but there is some good sides of it too, eventually...



if you wish to talk about it , just send me an email.



Dr.No.

Shaman

[AOmega]

Then I must just be crazy, thanx.