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[MM2]

Hey SL,

There are many questions in your last post that I am going to have to leave unanswered for the moment. I just wanted to quickly express that I have found a bit of new language that might help me communicate how I felt when you started this thread about me using the youtube video.

The language surrounds this concept of Deep Democracy. In my Political Science course my professor mentioned it and described it in 3 sentences. My subconscious mind immediately went into high gear giving me a strong intuitive response that this was a term I have been waiting for, synchronicity as it may be. There are limitations to Deep Democracy but what stands out for me and our discussion here is the connection between roles that Deep Democracy describes and the way I am perceiving you perceiving me.

I had my initial reaction because previous discussions with you lead me to believe with reason and intuition that you were boxing me into a role. Being aware of the relationships and concepts embodied by Deep Democracy, I immediately had an urge to let you know that I do play the roles that you seemed to be boxing me into, ie. the passionate activist, the young idealist, the hypocritical spiritualist etc but that I am aware of these roles and aware of how I am consciously moving from one to one depending on the environment I am surrounded in and the changes I wish to make. This is the difference it seems in awareness level between those caught up in the system, including those who wish to purely destroy it, and those who recognize its limitations but also the intrinsic beauty that can be built upon.

Even David Icke is using the system to change the system including his use of media, his own human body, and even his education. He is doing so in a very intelligent manner though, which is probably why the system has not crushed him.

It seems as though you may be stuck in a role SL and you are not consciously aware of it yet or aware of its limitations so that you can move to a different role. I'm not sure, but from my experience of your writing, there appears to be a domination of pessimism and "negative" thinking in your words, where "negative" merely means to think about things that will not accomplish or even work against our goals. The issue, for me, is that you are not replacing such negativity with positive hopeful options. Avenues to be curious about or to pursue or to experiment with in light of making progress towards goals. You have become a ...not exactly the comfortable cynic...but something close. It seems to be a popular role in western society. Anyway, I used to be in this role as well after being inundated by WorldVision for my entire young life until I decided to really apply myself and my mental powers to increase my awareness magnitudes over what it was about the state of the planet and extreme poverty.

What are your thoughts on these observations? Am I still stuck in a role I have not the awareness yet to comprehend that is destroying our ability to act together to achieve common goals?

(Also, when I asked to clarify core values and beliefs, I mean literally to post your definitions of often used spiritual words like energy, spirit, soul, god, intuition, and connect them together to show how you think they work together, what roles they play and how they relate to other relationships embodied by popular spiritual terms and then maybe use your definitions to clarify what some of the famous quotes that use these words is saying. You posted a quote on the quote wall that said something like:

"The world is not outside of you somewhere, but in your heart"

In this example we would have discussed the definition of "heart" to see really what is embodied in this quote and then see if we can make more insight come of it (if possible).)
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[raji]

Hi and Namaste Mark.
Raji here,
in reading your post of August 9, paragraph: analysis of the spirit (of
Celestine prophecy) you state:
. I am not like this as the logic behind portraying society as a protagonist is classic propaganda to motivate the conscious mind into action and to generate a feeling of unity between people who prefer to look at the negatives of society.
>>( This is right after you describe the audience of Anis M as
young, naive and fringe.

I am perplexed as you you then in the sentence "say" you are fringe,
holding that you see the *logic* (rationalizations) making society and
media the hero, then propels people to be unified in their hostile
view of *civilization*.
I reword this to help myself make sense of your statement, and also to
elicit a differently worded explaination from you.
The only way I can reconcile your claims with the rest of the sentences of
the post is by assigning an error in writing; that is your typing protagonist
when you may have meant to write *antagonist*.
An antagonist society view would incite these fringe persons into
solidarity.
If I drive myself forward with the conviction that you mean *protagonist*
I simply can make no heads nor tails of what your perceptions and
conceptualizations are of society and the Celestine current.

Thanks for expounding on this.
Raji *
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