Please REPLY to the UFO articles

[susanmtns]

I have taken a lot of time to write to all of you about my UFO encounter, yet no one has responded to me. I see that a lot of people have checked the site.

Being the curious and lucky being that I am, I still want to know more. I want to know how this experience feels to you. Have you had an encounter?

Susan

[Inedible]

Maybe it would be helpful to start a poll of people who are reading your threads?

[Scots_Nomad]

Hi Susan,

To be honest I don’t usually get involved in UFO discussions coz I know from experience that if people actually have feelings on the matter either way their opinions tend to be pretty polarized on the subject, either fervent believers or fervent skeptics, but you’ve asked for comments so I’ll give you mine (although this is gonna be a long post coz my opinions on the matter need quite a bit of explaining!).

In my opinion the vast majority of people who claim to have seen a UFO fall into three categories: some who are just completely delusional, some who saw ‘something’ which has a perfectly rational explanation but which they truly believe was a UFO and those who are simply making it up (for reasons that I’ve never really understood!). I say ‘the vast majority’, but if I had to put a figure on that rough guess that maybe it would be as high as 99% in total. Maybe your instant reaction to reading that is to feel insulted/untrusted/accused in some way, but if you think about it for a second I hope you will focus on the fact that I didn’t say 100%!

What I am actually saying is that possibly as many as 1% of people who claim to have seen a UFO did actually see something with no ‘logical’ explanation under our current understanding of our world and our laws of physics. But am I saying that I believe that those people really did see something ‘extraterrestrial’? – actually I am not, but perhaps my explanation for it would seem even more far fetched than the simple and straight forward UFO explanation.

To really explain what I mean I am going to post two extracts from posts I have previously made on this site – perhaps their relevance to this subject will not be apparent at first, but please bear with me and take time to read through them.

This first extract (which is actually an excerpt from one of my book drafts) comes from a post I first made on the Parallel Paths thread under the ‘Share Insights’ topic and it recounts part of one particular chat I had with ‘my friends’:

…Anyway, leaving the general context aside for now, at one point my friends explained that they watched ALL of ‘my people’ ALL of the time, and try (as far as they are able to without actually ‘blowing their cover’) to encourage good, social behavior where possible. To use their words, “Good deeds earn signs, and lies break chains. Wee good deeds earn wee signs and big good deeds earn big signs, wee lies break wee chains and big lies break big chains”. They then went on to explain that the ‘signs’ they were talking about were signs that ‘they’ actually existed and were really paying attention to what goes on down here, and the ‘chains’ that they were talking about were chains of memory (which could well explain why lying b*****ds like Bush, Rumpsfeld and Chaney seem to have real difficulty in keeping track of what they did and said yesterday – Even when ‘yesterday’s words’ were captured on film for all to see and hear!).

With regard to the ‘signs’ bit of the chat, I jumped in with something like,

“So why didn’t I get many signs then?”

(Full of ma’self, or what? <!;->),

“You didn’t get many signs???? What the f**k do you think you’ve been bombarded with for the past few weeks then?”,
“Aye OK, I saw them THEN, but if that’s what you mean then I haven’t really been ‘that good’ recently…Or what I actually mean is that I haven’t been any better during the past few weeks than I have been during the rest of my life, so why did the signs start all of a sudden?”
“Firstly Wee Man, as far as we are concerned you have been amazing during those last few weeks – Sure, you haven’t gotten any better in general terms, but then again, you haven’t gotten any worse, so in our ‘relative terms’ you have just been f**king amazing. We could see what you were going through – Obviously we could, coz it was us that was putting you through it! – and none of us could have blamed you if you had started taking some of that out on the people around you. We certainly couldn’t have blamed you if you had decided that other people were just gonna have to look after themselves for a while coz you needed to concentrate on yourself with all that shit going on, but you didn’t do that. Like you just said Wee Man,, despite everything that was going on around you, you didn’t treat other people any better – or any worse – than you did during the rest of your life, and in a way THAT was your downfall, coz every time you blew us away by doing that you just earned yourself more and more, bigger and bigger signs. Can you get that?”
”Aye….I suppose so….F**k! No wonder if felt like a f**king avalanche out there!”
“Now, with regard to your earlier good deeds, you DID get signs for them. At first you got the same kind of wee signs that everyone else gets for their good deeds – nothing that was supposed to blow your mind or anything, just a kind of wee tickle here and there to let you know that we were happy with you. To some of your people a wee tickle every now and again is all they really need to keep them going through their whole life, but we noticed pretty early on that you weren’t really that interested in wee tickles, so we started saving them up for you – Like money in the bank kind of thing, coz we never forget when we owe someone a tickle! – Then every so often we would decide to give you a wee bit of the interest that you had accrued in one ‘lump sum’ – Maybe not something that was hugely valuable in financial terms, but something that was BIG in ‘sign value’. Something so weird that it just ‘had to be’ a sign…..Does that ring any bells with you?”
”Aye, I suppose so, coz some weird shit has happened to me now and again, but how the f**k is something like that supposed to be ‘a reward’, coz all it did was confuse the f**k out of me for a while?”
”And why was that?”
”Coz I had no idea what was going on!....And then ‘nothing’ started going on again, and that just kinda made the strange stuff make even less sense than it ‘never’ did before, so to speak!”
“And why was that?”
”Coz that’s the way it was! It didn’t make sense to me! F**k, it wouldn’t have made any sense to ANYBODY!”
”Do you believe that?”
”What part of it? Wait! You don’t need to answer that coz I meant it ALL!”
“But what if you already believed that we existed?”
”How the f**k could I already have believed you existed?”
”OK, maybe ‘believed’ is not the right word, but what if you had been told that we existed or that you ‘hoped’ that we existed, or something like that?”
”Awwwww! I get it now! Are you talking about the ‘God stuff’ again?”
”Not necessarily ‘God stuff’ – Try to imagine what some other people might have been hoping for proof of – People that were maybe not quite so skeptical about everything as you.”
”Oh aye…Like ghosts of people they’d lost, or life after death….Or even aliens I suppose.”
”Exactly Wee Man! Our signs were never suppose to tell people what we are, just to let them know that there really is more to this universe than they can see everyday. Your people were always free to interpret our signs anyway they wanted to, after all, they had earned them so they became ‘their’ signs.”
“Yeah, OK. I can kind of see that. I can kind of see how stuff like that could be a comfort to some people. I can see how people like ma Da’ could have taken that as some kind of ‘wee wink’ from God, but what about me and people like me? All you would do is confuse the shit out of us!”
”Well firstly, your Da was way beyond the ‘wee wink’ stage, but that’s your Da’s business not yours, and as far as the ‘people like you’ bit is concerned, there really aren’t that many ‘people like you’ among your people – And before you accuse us of kissing your arse again maybe we should point out that we are talking about ‘real skeptical b*****ds that believe in absolutely nothing’ when we say ‘people like you’!”
“Ya cheeky b*****ds!...Or is that actually a compliment?....F**k! I’m not really sure either way!”
”Well you can decide on that later, but all we are saying here is that there aren’t that many ‘people like you’ down there, no matter what they may say in public, and the ones who are don’t usually earn enough good deeds for that to ever create a big problem for us….I suppose that that is another thing we should thank you for Wee Man, coz it’s not too often that any of your people make us flex our imagination the way that you have at times.” …

This second extract comes from a post I made under the heading ‘Three Days From Yesterday’ under the ‘Insights Into The Future’ topic:

…There were some visual aspects to my experiences though – at the very beginning of our chats there was a few times when they asked me to close my eyes so they could show me something, following which they put an image directly into my mind/my imagination (such as the time they used a visual metaphor based around Angkor Wat temple in Cambodia when they were showing me how old they were), and there was another fairly significant ‘visual experience’ that they showed me a few days later which I suppose ties in to their claim that they could look like whatever I wanted them to:-

I was watching something on TV in my sitting room when they said,
“Turn the TV over.”
”What station?”
”It doesn’t matter, any station.”

I pressed a button on my TV remote and found myself looking at some chat show from some French satellite channel,

“Oops, hold on I’ll find another one.”
”No, this one will do fine.”
”But it’s French!”
“That doesn’t matter, we just want to show you something.”
”OK. So what do you want to show me?”
”What do you think of him?”

The only thing on my TV was some French guy who appeared to be the host of the show.

“I don’t know who he is.”
”But what do you think of him?”
”In what way?”
”Well, do you notice anything unusual about him?”

I looked for a minute or so, but saw nothing unusual at all.

“No, can’t say I do.”
”What about his hands, do you notice anything unusual about them?”

The guy was sitting down in a leather swivel chair and the picture was a relative close-up which only showed the upper part of his body. Most of the time his hands weren’t in shot however I caught sight of them a few times as he gestured while he chatted away about whatever the hell he was chatting about.

“I can’t really get a good look at them but there doesn’t seem to be anything unusual about them.”
“What about now?”

I looked again. At first everything seemed as it had before but then, without any change in the tone of the presenters voice or in the serious expression on his face, his hands came into shot and he started to do the ‘hand-jive’ (and I mean the full works, crossing his hands over each other then with one hand touching the opposite elbow and the other hand clenched but with the thumbs pointing back towards the shoulder etc, etc, etc!). I watched for a minute or so, thinking to myself “What the f**k???” as I watched him hand jive away while otherwise carrying on with what seemed like a very serious discussion about something or other. I laughed and said,

“Is that you doing that?”
“What do you think?”

As they said that the hands stopped hand-jiving and instead his right hand began repeatedly pointing towards the presenters head before making the ‘wanker’ gesture (if you know what I mean)! I laughed even harder!

“How the f**k are you doing that?”
“How do you think we could be doing it?”
“Well, I somehow doubt that he is actually sitting in some TV studio somewhere in France doing that with his hands – I mean no one in the audience seems to see anything unusual or funny so I guess you must be f**king around with my TV picture.”
“So how could we be doing that?”
”Well…is this a recording or is it a live show?”
“Would that really matter?”
“Ooooh…With your time-machine thingey or whatever it is I don’t suppose it would, but I suppose I find it easier to imagine how you could do it with a recorded program and then to bear in mind that what is live to me is still a recording to you.”
“So how could we do it on a recorded show then?”
”Well…I suppose you could be making the whole thing up and this is not a real program I am watching just something that you made up and that you’re broadcasting into my telly…But then how could you get his actions to fit in so perfectly with my questions?...Although I suppose that would be easy enough with your time machine thingey and a bit of editing.”
“And what if we tell you that this is an actual program and not something we made up?”
“Well, obviously you are somehow superimposing some additional pixels or images of his hands onto the basic picture, but I suppose you would have to make sure that his real hands never came into the shot, so you would have to either check all the footage first to make sure his hands never appear…Or I suppose you could be superimposing your part of the signal so that it blocks the lower half of the screen so it wouldn’t matter if his hands came into view on the original program.”
“So can you imagine that we are able to do that?”
”Mmmm…I don’t know how you would do it specifically…certainly not if this is a live show…but I suppose if it was a recorded show then I guess that something like that would be possible even with the technology we’ve got today…I’m not sure if we would be able to superimpose something onto an existing signal so convincingly here yet, but I suppose I can imagine how something like that could be technically possible.”
“OK. So if you can believe that we may be able to superimpose images onto the signal to your TV set, can you imagine that we could do the same thing with your optic nerve?”

I must admit that that possibility hadn’t even crossed my mind before then, but why shouldn’t they be able to? The signal from your eyes to the relevant processing area of your brain is an electrical one, just like the signal to my TV set, so why shouldn’t they be able to plant images directly onto my optic nerve and make me see whatever the hell they wanted me to see, even when no one else around me would be able to see it? Maybe that was supposed to sound impressive to me but actually I found it very sinister! The only thing I could think of saying was,

"F**king hell!"

After a further few minutes of reflection I asked,

"How can I trust anything I ever see, or anything I have ever seen, now that you have told me that?"
"Do you think you can get your head around that?"
"F**k knows how I will, but if I don't I can see myself disappearing up my own arse in a puff of logic!"

(Big round of applause, but it was totally unwanted)

"I know I am joking about this, but this is some heavy shit! Do you realise how far out over 'the abyss' I feel right now? If you drop me now I am totally f**ked! What would be the point in going on if you can't trust any of your senses? There is no point in doing clever stuff with data if you don't really trust the data in the first place. Why would I bother thinking? How can I stop thinking? Why would I bother getting out of my bed in the morning? I could be really f**ked here!"
"Is that what you think?"
"Actually, I think I am probably already f**ked, and that is the scary thing that you probably don't really understand. How could I get back from here on my own?"
"We understand, but you don't need to worry. We know you can get through this, and we promise we won't drop you"
"Yeah! I have heard that before!"…

That visual experience was certainly in complete colour as were all the rest, including the time when they took the logic of the above mind-blowing revelation one or two logical steps further, i.e.,

“So if you can accept that we can send signals directly to your optic nerve, can you imagine that we may be able to take signals directly from your optic nerve?”
”Do you mean to say that you can see whatever I see through my eyes?”
”We can do that, and we do do that, but that isn’t really what we are trying to say here, so what else could we be able to do using that ability?”
“Phhhhw…I have no idea!”
”Well you have a think about that and we’ll talk about it more later.”

I was more than happy to leave that conversation there as I was still finding it really hard to get my head round the fact that I could no longer trust my own eyes…Or my own ears for that matter, as it would no doubt be easier to mess with sound signals than visual signals! Sure it could have answered many questions about the strange things I had seen in the days and weeks leading up to First Contact, but it seemed to raise more questions than answers. What about the strange stuff that others had also seen? Could I trust that those were real or were the same images just being planted on to the optic nerves of those other witnesses? What was the point in trying to find logical explanations for anything any more when the easiest answer to it all was that it was all just a planted mirage? And what were the implications of ‘all that’?...

OK Susan, those two extracts were intended to frame my thoughts on people who absolutely believe they have seen a UFO. I KNOW that it is possible that someone could see something huge and in great detail that was absolutely real to them but which even someone standing beside them wouldn’t have see at all (although my friends would not tend to mess with ‘logic’ like that and would be more likely to do it when no one else was around) – I KNOW that coz I’ve seen the ‘trick’ done and I’ve had the ‘how’ explained to me. I can also understand that there could be some logical reason why my friends may want someone to believe that they had seen a UFO (I can even see the logic in it being considered as some kind of ‘reward’), however why should I be more satisfied with those explanations rather than the simpler ‘it was a UFO’ explanation?

To explain that I’d have to briefly summarise another part of my conversations where I asked my friends if extraterrestrials existed:

“Doesn’t the fact that we are talking to you already answer that question?”
“No, coz that’s not what I mean. I’m talking about other physical life forms living on other planets. Are there any other life forms like us – or actually maybe nothing like us at all – but are there any other civilisations out there living on other planets?”
“When your people are ready to meet other civilisations it will happen.”
”But does that mean you will just create them at that time for our benefit – or education or whatever – or are they actually out there just now?”
“Does that really matter?”
“I think it does, yeah.”
“Well trust us Wee Man, it doesn’t! Not for now anyway. For the time being it is just your people and us, and if your people never reach the stage where they are ready to cope with other civilisations then that is how it will stay. You’re not going to find anyone else out there and they are not going to be coming looking for you – we’ll make sure of that because that is one of our jobs.”
“So are you saying that we are in quarantine or something like that?”
“Yeah, you could think of it like that, for the time being at least, but it’s for your good as well as everyone else’s”

I also spoke to my friends about Roswell but I think their answers would just complicate things here so let’s just leave it at that as I already have doubts about whether this whole post will fit on the site (If not I may have to make two separate posts).

Maybe not the kind of reply you wanted or expected but at least it’s a reply !

Cheers,
John

[susanmtns]

Wow. That is quite a post. Ok. I am cured. lol...I am guessing that is what you wanted.

I hope you are lucky enough to see one. It is truly an honor!

Susan