Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Westaway]

Hello all

Thanks for your post Theressa, I appreciate your thoughts and I think you’re right, selection is the key.

I do have further to add, I agree carrying people is a bad idea as some people simply cannot float above the water. I too used to go to great lengths to understand and excuse others behaviours. Although carrying is sometimes unavoidable I feel over the past few years I have grown away from this mistake, though I'll admit not always.

My usual strategy is to show interest in a sad person’s life and try to help them find merit in it, or in their dreams. Then I try to fill them with my interest and motivation, which on some occasions rubs off on them. Sometimes this results in the person moving away to chase their dream, or concentrate on their dream, but I am always left feeling happy, imagining them chasing a better life. Not everyone is open to this though, and sometimes it’s better to walk away, admitting their minds are closed.

It’s important not to let your own life pass you by due to helping others and since last summer I realised this so I have been chasing my own dream. Again sometimes I lose this path and have to revert back to the right track - I try to keep tabs on myself.

Since I began focusing on my dream I have found this filled me with a lot more positive energy and I was much more willing to hear about other people’s lives and inject some of my energy into theirs.

But in a stressful situation with an interrogator or intimidator the atmosphere makes it impossible for me to help in this way. Perhaps you’re right, maybe I should just accept that fact. But when a person is right in front of you expecting a response there seems little I can do to defuse the situation. I simply ride it out and wish for calmer waters. I need a better solution.

The posts above have helped me to understand control dramas a lot better, and this might help me face difficult situations with a calmer attitude, trying to learn when I can and identifying when I can help and knowing/accepting when I can’t.

I wait for the next opportunity!

Westaway
Love unconditionally to all

[Theressa]

Hi Westway,

My biggest learning to date is that "when its the right time all the help anyone needs will be available" some are just not ready or maybe due to our closeness they won't hear me. Also, in close relationships my motive maybe self interest and not what they need. People need to have freewill.

For example my advice clients ask for information and guidance but, i let go these days about whether they act on the information or not. My biggest frustration is wanting/asking for help and not receiving it e.g essay skills course. The course material isn't specific and tutor can't hear me ask for help, she doesn't see i need it. Some only see my strength which is a dilemma.

I am more focused on my life these days as i see this is a more focused way of helping as people ask instead of me assuming and interfering. I am aware of the support i need and i know who can't provide this due to their excessive need.

I see how my conditioning is faulty in parts rather than me being faulty.

Speak soon

Love
Theressa

[truth]

Hi Theressa Hi Westaway,

My goodness, I see you two as being brought here right now to learn so much from each other, I'm all a-tingle! A bit of dilemma really, because I'm in two minds whether to put in my two cents or not. I will.

Good, giving people, such as yourselves sometimes have the hardest of all lessons to learn. You're spot on Theressa: when we realise that we've become conditioned into caring... caring too much, that means that we hide our true self behind a fear of hurting people.

The lesson being that we can never hurt anyone when we are being our true selves. If they take our words or actions as being hurtful, it is only due to their own insecurity. When we're true and remain so, and given an opportunity to take our next step, we'll see their hurt and work with them, enabling them to face their own insecurities.

A fear of hurting people, who would have categorised that as being a 'bad' thing? Saying that, good, sensitive and bighearted people have a whole lot of love to offer us all... all we have to do is have faith in ourselves and work to build on that faith.

The good news is that we're doing it... every day and in every way... we're getting there.

Cheers guys,
Pat

[Westaway]

Hi Theressa, Truth

Thank you both for your posts, you are so kind, giving, wonderful and helpful. I am rapidly discovering the wealth of knowledge this forum has to offer. I have learnt more over the past week than I could have done in weeks or even months of walking! So thank you very much for your lessons, I wish for health and happiness to you both.

From now on I will remind myself to approach each person and situation with love, holding onto my true self. Being alert out for learning opportunities or if the person proves too difficult I will temporarily move away, whilst telling myself not to feel guilty about it!

I anticipate I will see a positive change if I apply myself, train myself, and I look forward to finding out what happens,

CP was an awakening. This forum is crystallising my understanding so much further.


Thank you both so much again,


Westaway
Love unconditionally to all

[Theressa]

Hi Truth and Westway,

It reinforces my learnings when I am able to share my learnings with others. Westway I think that is why this forum is so important for it is in sharing that we first get to know what we are striving for. But, in my experience I may know things but, the universe kind of takes me through actually learning/experiencing the thing in demonstration/in action.

For example, I have read many times in my ACTS of FAITH book many spiritual truths. One in particular about my higher power loving me as I AM and it being the conditioning that made me feel faulty. But, it is only recently that I have really understood this and feel I BELIEVE IT NOW!!

For me this process has been like pulling the conditioning thread out bit by bit. TRUTH it is funny but, now I get it people are telling me or I am hearing it and it seems so obvious but, it is only because now I am ready to hear but, also understand it.

Westway it is a process and it is all revealed.

Funny thing is my bad arm was the big break. It stopped me care taking which is my natural thing to do in a crisis. So, all the things I was struggling with I had to struggle with. When I prayed an old colleague popped into my head and helped with my essay. The last few weeks have been great learnings for me about my own family, my independence. But, mostly, they have shown me that others plates are full. MINE is also, and they found it easy to say no sorry can't help so now I believe so can I and I am enough and I don't need to overcompensate or carry anyone else.

So the painful arm has had much gain lol! so, no pain no game is true lol!

Speak soon and thank you

Get hold of the book women who love too much meditations by Robin Norwood (even if you are a man!!!) because it describes how to stop overcompensating and over caring. In a nut shell how to be healthy!!!

Love
Theressa

[Westaway]

Hello Truth and Theressa

Thank you both for your lessons and warm welcome. Thank you for taking the time to help me on my way.

As you both say, this forum does have an uncanny knack for encouraging insights – it is a gift. Your advice certainly has come at a very convenient time and I’m already feeling a positive change so thank you very much!

[Theressa]

Hi Westway,

I am glad the words I've shared have helped and provoked some thought. I wish you the best as you continue with your journey. Thank you for your kind words.

Love, thanks and blessings for the sharings we have shared.

Love and thanks to you truth also for contributing and stimulating thought as always.

Love
Theressa


Learning to be more and more of me with no apology

[Westaway]

Hello Theressa and Truth,

Hope you both are well and in good spirits. Theressa how’s your arm?

I had to post again to tell you and thank you - you have both already made a huge difference in my life.

Reading CP was one thing, you guys have helped me to understand how to apply myself, gain the right form of self control and increase the feeling love in my life.

I have been focusing on filling myself with love all of this week and the positive changes in myself are already noticable. I hope to continue! Life is so much better and easier when I fill my thoughts with love. Trials and chores become far more enjoyable! Giving to take and giving only to encourage another to give has gone out the window! Now I am learning to just give and give with love.

Also, I have already had a chance put into practice your advice on reacting to other people’s control dramas. Yesterday I was being spoken to in a rather condescending tone, with words verging on criticism (I had asked for advice on something I was doing). I was already in a warm and loving zone so I didn’t feel afraid. I saw his behaviour for what it was. Fantastic! I didn’t have that uncomfortable feeling in my stomach and my head didn’t start going to pieces!

As he continued speaking I carried on with what I was doing beside him, felt the love inside carry me and mentally overflowed myself with love for him. Then I glanced up and his words faded and petered out, he physically shook himself and looked momentarily confused. He had lost his thread of criticism! Then he changed the conversation!

I can’t be sure whether I influenced this response, but regardless I am pleased with how I am progressing.

I will carry on working towards a love filled exisitence!

By the way I have purchased both your book recommendations I'm planning to start reading them this weekend,

Thank you for showing me the way,


Westaway
The best thoughts come from walking!

[truth]

Westaway,

I'm amazed at your fight-for-right and determination, all blanketed in love... more! Encore!

Only four days prior you'd acknowledged your belief

You'd quoted from my post:
When we're true and remain so, and given an opportunity to take our next step, we'll see their hurt and work with them, enabling them to face their own insecurities.

Your quote:
...I will focus on remaining true to myself – I look forward to the clarity this will bring.

Only four days later, you put that belief into practise... I don't know what to say... it's just true beauty at its very best.

You not only held firm under immense natural instinctive pressure to react, but you went that step further: you connected with his true spirit and turned what could have been an awful experience for you both into one that was energising, catapaulting you personally and your relationship onto a whole new level. Marvellous!

Oh! We are so getting there!

Dear Theressa, thank you so much for your message, it meant a great deal to me.

Love to you both and all who read. Hey Guys! We really are getting there!

Pat

[Theressa]

Hi Westway,

It is just truly terrific!!!!

You ACTED instead of reacting. I have days when I find it hard to not react but, like you I am getting better and more conscious of my choices.

For a long time GUILT controlled me and made me OVER give and not priortise my needs. BUT, I am beginning to see that I am important to me. I am worth my time. I don't need to give it all away so to speak. INFACT my biggest awareness has been to see how I am already contributing.

Infact I am always contributing to the highest good of all concerned when I am being me and not pleasing at the expense of something more a priority.
e.g resting

Its so lovely to share our learnings as I see how each over laps and when I share I learn and when you share I learn and you learn. We are really an amazing team the human race and all other races (animals, plants etc), the universe (ALL ONE AMAZING SONG)

What is truly lovely is that some people incarnated in a certain way so I could get to know me on a new level. So, no need for me to be so angry.

For example, my essay course tutor showed me that I need to not rely on one person to have all the answers and sometimes door 1 is not the right one so, I need to try door 2. With the gym instructor I learned that EVEN experts get it wrong BUT, my body well she knows what is right for me, so self trust is the best for me.

My ex partner taught me about boundaries by having extreme one-sided boundaries. I obviously needed to learn about extreme before I could understand appropriate boundaries and thus, he acted the part out to show me this.

So, yes there is a reason and learning in everything. A big awareness of mine is that nothing happens on my time scale but, GODS - including my arm lol!!!

Love and well done for behaving so beautifully!!

Truth, thank you once again for being a true dynamic soul

Love
Theressa
xxx

[Theressa]

One final point - When I'd learn the lesson the right person, book or other sort of instruction was REVEALED to me!

[sushil_yadav]

[truth]

Hi Sushil,

Don't forget, human life on this planet is in its infancy, we still have masses to learn about life, the universe and everything. Perhaps the human race dying out is a part of our evolutionary cycle - who knows? However, I'd like to think that if that were the case, there would always be some survivors... to learn from our mistakes.

In the meantime, and in view of our mass ignorance on the subject, who's to judge who is insane, abnormal and criminal? All we can do, as individuals, is our very best with the lives we have... and more importantly I think, not knock others for doing the best they can with theirs.

Good to see you on board again.
Pat

[sushil_yadav]

[sushil_yadav]

For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


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