Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Theressa]

Hi sushil_yadav,

What strikes me is that you don't mind benefitting from the modern world since you are posting on an internet site which is part of modern life. However, you seem to point out the disadvantages to modern life.

The way I see it is that whatever, we do there is going to be benefits and disadvantages.

For example, we recylce tin cans BUT someone comes in a vehicle to collect them. To live is a messy business!

I watched a programme on tv last night about how Pope Alexander behaved and how a monk decided to translate the bible into German to give power to the people in the 16th Century. For years the catholic church fed fear to the people. If our thoughts are creative then they damaged our planet in my opinion. It seems modern life is not much different than post modern.

Its who and what you judge as destruction and destroying. In the past there was battles and wars and people and countries were wiped out. So, it is in my opinion just depending on what you call destruction.

I rest my case

Take care
Theressa

[sushil_yadav]

[pilgrim108]

I also skimmed read the first part of Sushils initial post. Interesting and appreciated.
I do think we are being forced into believing in the latest Global warming scam.
See these documentary if you havent already.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7944532245467115182&q
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7944532245467115182&q0
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7944532245467115182&q

I do recycle, avoid wasting materials and am vegetarian but I think the amount of hysteria about global warming is a simple con to get people to pay more tax and feel guilty for living on the planet.
I will be rather controversial and also add that it is also a way of making depopulisation legal.

I also think emotions have a place but thoughts are also very important. Most people are emotionally driven for sexual gratification I dont think this is progress. We have to think on higher platform rather than like animals on emotional instinct. Just my thoughts.

[Theressa]

Hi All,

I think that we should have respect! I think we should treat mother earth and all that resident in the universe as we wish to be treated. I do the best I can. I do think we over use resources. But, we are here to learn. I can only control myself. Who am I to judge anyone else!

When we are ill we go to the doctors or hospital. But, if our thoughts were pure we'd not be ill.

Since I cannot change one elses mind then I can only inform them by example and its up to them if they listen and act.

Sometimes people just don't know the damage they do. It is out of habit people live. Re education may help.

My thoughts.

Love,light and blessings
Theressa

[truth]

Dear Sushil_Yadav

Your posts show me that you have great passion for this beautiful planet of ours, and yet you feel powerless in protecting it. I want to tell you that you can do something about it and that is by realising your true self.

Like you I was angry at: politicians, educationalists, religionists, basically everyone. However, I now know that the anger was borne from my lack of self-esteem and confidence. I wanted to do something about it, but I didn't feel equipped to do so; I didn't believe one person could fix all of the World's problems. One person can't. However, with a true sense of self, true individuals can help manoeuvre it back on track.

One proviso: in order to reconnect with our true self, we have to truly want it - believe me, it can be emotionally painful and confronting. However, the rewards, well, there are no words that can do justice to the rewards. I reconnected with the real me by believing that there had to be more in life than working-to-acquire-to-die. I believed and circumstances enabled me to work it out.

I truly wish the best for you in your life; I for one would like to see your passion used for good. I know that you have more than you could ever imagine to offer. If you can believe it for yourself, it will happen - you will allow it to happen.

[sushil_yadav]

Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.

Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


Destroy consumerism.....before it is too late.
Destroy Industrial Society....before it is too late.


sushil_yadav
Corrupt
ePhilosopher
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[truth]

Hi Sushil_Yadav,

Long time no hear.

Much has changed in my life since last September and, although my words remain the same, my intention has become clearer. I know that my aim in life is World Peace, however, I now know (?) that I've been tasked with diffusing explosive situations. I am able to do this in every day life effectively, but have failed to do so, so far in this forum.

I also now know that those to whom we are drawn in life, that is, those who give us good and bad feelings, are those from whom we will learn our lessons. I believe that you have posted in order to enable me to put into practise that which I know, but is not yet instilled as a belief; you know the saying: "All words no action"? Well, until we apply our words in real life, our fears that have held us back from doing so, remain.

I think we can help each other to realise the fears that have been holding us back.

Pat

[Westaway]

Hello

I was very interested the read this thread and felt compelled to contribute my own thoughts. Below is something I worked on earlier this year which examines one of the bigger consequences of living in such a fast paced world. At the time I felt driven to understand how humans arrived here whilst finding evidence to support my feelings that we’ve taken the wrong path.

Thankfully I have recently read the Celestine Prophecy and it successfully seeded the next stage of thoughts in my mind. Now my focus is moving away from researching and understanding the problems in this world to accepting them and concentrating on my own path for spiritual development. I still have a long way to go!

So why am I posting? I am hoping something in here might be of use or interest to the very special and like minded people on this forum.



Levels of psychotic disorders in humans are rapidly increasing the developing world. Many humans, particularly scientists and political leaders, consider mental disorders to be an ever increasing problem and they are becoming more and more concerned. In a 1999 study of 14 countries, active psychosis was ranked the third-most-disabling condition . My theory identifies the internal and external factors of these disorders. It supports many other pieces of research by bringing and linking them together.

No one knows or understands the causes of psychotic disorders. Living in an urban environment has been consistently found to be a risk factor for schizophrenia (a statistic showed a person born in an urban environment has a 50% higher risk, with an odds ratio of 1.5 ). The key lies in understanding how and why the mind is responding negatively to the urban environment.

Everything we see, hear, smell, taste and touch is a form of stimulus. The mind, by its very nature, analyses observed stimuli (information) in order to gain knowledge and understanding - in its most base form to know how to respond, question and learn in order to solve problems. The level and type of observed stimuli (information) received is directly proportionate to the level and type of questions appearing and existing in a person’s subconscious and conscious mind. Herein lies the recurrent theme.

The foundation of my theory lies upon a recent scientific research project which proved some people have lower latent Inhibition, otherwise known as LLI. This relates to the required internal factor. The scienfic world views Latent Inhibition as a stimuli filter, I will quote from Wikipedia as they explain the theory perfectly:

“The ability to disregard or even inhibit formation of memory, by preventing associative learning of observed stimuli, is an automatic response and is thought to prevent information overload. Latent inhibition is observed in many species, and is believed to be an integral part of the observation/learning process, to allow the self to interact successfully in a social environment.

Most people are able to shut out the constant stream of incoming stimuli, but those with low latent inhibition cannot. It is hypothesized that a low level of latent inhibition can cause either psychosis, a high level of creativity or both, which is usually dependent on the subject's intelligence.

Those of above average intelligence are thought to be capable of processing this stream effectively, an ability that greatly aids their creativity and ability to learn and which categorizes them as almost creative geniuses. Those with less than average intelligence, on the other hand, are less able to cope, and so as a result are more likely to suffer from mental illness. Still very many individuals, who have a high level of intelligence and low latent inhibition, suffer from mental differences.”

So LLI means some people’s minds receive more stimuli through some or all of their senses. The level and types of observed stimuli (information) a mind receives is directly proportionate to the level and type of questions existing and appearing in the subconscious and conscious mind.

The external factor lies in the types, forms and complexity of the observed stimuli. Stimuli does not have to be an object, corporeal in nature. Imagine for a moment, you are sat with a child beneath an old oak, explaining the existence and being of the tree. Now imagine you are with the same child, standing at the gates of Downing Street, explaining a subject like bureaucracy. The complexity and contradictory nature of bureaucracy would be overwelming. Such stimuli are much more common and therefore more intense in urban environments. The level, types and complexity of observed stimuli (information) received is directly proportionate to the level, type and complexity of questions in a person’s subconscious and conscious mind.

So the modern, conflicting world causes a person with LLI to try and make sense of it all by responding to these new forms and types of stimuli by asking ever intensifying and complex questions. How can they hope to understand this? Forced to work long hours in the noisy modern world, we give them no chance to build a single reality based upon a foundation of truth – they cannot assess, analyise, learn and correctly respond.

When the building mental conflicts reach sufficient intensity, the person develops a psychotic disorder. The level of conflicts are directly proportionate to the level of intensity of the disorder (e.g. from insomnia and schitzophernia). Additional external factors such as an intense and upsetting/stressful emotional experience can shift a person’s reality further; causing additional conflict. The overall consequences of living and working in an urban environment increases the complexity and intensity of stimuli. Any man or woman who has an intense enough conflict between their realities is eventually driven insane.

There are people out there with differing levels of lower latent inhibition. Not only that, research showed those people with sufficiently low levels of latent inhibtion and above average intelligence (I.Q.) may be capable of creative genius. In time I would add to this by examining ways to open your mind to experience a moment of creative genius, see Part II (perhaps I will post this theory another day).

It is also worth examining how and why some answers received from the established human reality conflicts with knowledge received from observing natural types of stimuli. This goes against our very core. The benefits of seeking knowledge from natural stimli are examined in Part II, primarily highlighting the link between karma, reincarnation and evolution.

Consider, LLI supports the Jain belief that through karma a being increases their level of senses. LLI proves some human beings receive more sensory information than others. My own observations of human behaviour have led me to believe every human being has a different level of filter. People with increased perception are blessed and have earned a better chance. But bound by the constraints of the modern world many succumb to a mental disorder.

Across the developing world our health services numb countless psychotic minds with medication. This prevents them from making sense of it all and gaining a connection with their soul. They are put onto mediation which dulls their minds’ to their senses. Our senses are the key to opening the first doors to spirituality. Robbed of their capacity to achieve enlightenment, to truly influence their karma - they have been silenced.

Not only that, many more are being forced to adopt the rules (scientific, political, bureaucratical, conventional etc.) of the modern world. This conflicts with countless minds’ that have sufficient physical and mental ability to consciously lead a spiritual life. The modern world is creating barriers, namely barriers of knowledge, of possibility. This false basis of reality is spreading.

Psychotic disorders are the symptoms that we have taken the wrong route - that the modern world we are creating goes against our very grain. Conflicts plague the mind. As these conflicts cannot be addressed or resolved, mental disorders emerge. We have and are creating our own reality (based on a huge variety of false assumptions and beliefs), and by doing so are failing to reach into the beyond. For them the key will be opening up to impossibility.

The principle behind my cause of psychotic disorders is simple. Furthermore by gaining a deeper understanding of the consequences of creating this modern, developed world, we can unlock an enormaty of knowledge hidden behind it. By reducing the complex stimuli we would allow ourselves more time to hear the inner need.

Thanks for reading,

I am truly grateful to have been given the chance and a mind capable of appreciating the natural beauty that surrounds us. I shall continue working towards unlocking the fourth insight


Westaway
Love unconditionally to all

[truth]

Hi Westaway,

I've been very lucky too, to have been given the time and freedom to work it out for myself. Facing my fears to find my truth was/is a hard path to take, but my goodness it's more than worth it in the end. I have to admit though, when doubts appeared, I questioned my own sanity... I still do sometimes.

I know that we are doing our best, but my issue with psychology and psychological research is that it is being undertaken without the use of a control measure, that is without having identified normal human behaviour. Which means that 'cures' are being created to bring people to a level of behaviour that the people around them perceive to be normal, but what might be far removed from the individuals' actual norm. Scientific remedies based on no-control research, in my books, is like playing darts with an ever-moving dartboard; sometimes we hit the target, but what of the cost of the misses?

I believe that everyone can and does experience their own normal behaviour. Normal behaviour is that which appears when we have faith in ourselves and our World around us, we are selfless. We only ever move away from our normal behaviour whenever we feel threatened, becoming selfish.

A word on faith. Here we all are spinning around at 1000kmh on a rock in the middle of a nothingness (?) that we call space. Does that concept scare us? Do we wake up in the morning relieved to know that the World is still spinning and we haven't been swept away by a galactic brush and dustpan? No. We all have faith, it's there, deep inside, telling us that all will be better... given time. A little experiment: tomorrow morning hang onto that sense of faith and notice the moment we move away from it. Was it the newspaper boy throwing the newspaper into the compost heap... again? Was it that important? What was it about the event that made us lose faith in ourselves?

With faith in ourselves we can remain calm and deal with the little irritations in life. Our irritations do not stop the world from spinning, they do not change any other aspect of the world other than the way we, as individuals, see our own individual world.

Sorry about that, I seemed to get a little carried away with the faith thing. That's my take anyway. We all have our own individual normal behaviour that we can use to choose to eliminate that which makes us, as individuals, move away from our norm. As to our individual levels of intelligence and tipping points, we are all unique with much to offer the World as our true selves, whatever we are and whatever we choose to do.

Am I mad? Possibly. Only time will tell...

Thank you for the post Westaway, I enjoyed writing the response.

Cheers for now,

Pat

[Westaway]

Hi Truth

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply, I did enjoy reading your response and you certainly opened up further thought. I was particularly pleased to see that you had responded, for after reading many posts on this forum I felt that you were the most likely to. Although my beliefs and values have strong parallels with yours, I am a way behind you in my personal development. Thank you - your posts of experiences and insights can help me apply myself better.

I absolutely agree that:

[truth]

Hi Westaway,

Something's telling me that I shouldn't be responding... your theory on latent inhibitor set me mulling for the past few days, and now having spent time writing my response, it failed to post.

I hope you don't mind, but I'll come back to your post later.

I have to say though that your theory was really exciting for me. I now realise why my husband (high LI) and myself (low LI) make such a great couple. I could never understand why, even though we'd experience the same quirky people, my husband was quite happy in accepting them just as they were, whereas I felt a need to understand them. Although this could have caused untold damage to the relationship, it actually made us stronger: his confidence enabled me to give life a go and now my understanding is enabling him to understand where he fits in the world... perfect! Only made possible with unconditional love.

So, I hope this one posts! Thank you for sharing. We very often don't know the good we do when we share our lives with others, but when shared with honesty, the rewards are immeasurable.

Cheers for now,
Pat

[Theressa]

Hi All,

I love the research posted.

Pat i especially like what u said "We very often don't know the good we do when we share our lives with others, but when shared with honesty, the rewards are immeasurable."

To feel understood and heard is very healing. I think listening is true love. I think it is one of the reasons why people get so much anxiety. I noticed recently that due to anxiety my sister chatters on and doesn't give others chance to speak a symptom of a mother who was anxious herself so couldn't stop cleaning long enough to listen. My sister has dyslexia to. Again school never heard her when she said "i can do other things that are creative" they labelled her as naughty. I realise social skills/norms leave her feeling not okay. Since it is most difficult for her to listen and take turns.

A consequence she drinks alcohol so she can feel less conscious but this makes her also unaware she has worsened the excessive chattering. What bind! I told her breath control would help she looked hurt and criticised.

The world and her expectations and norms assume we are robots sad but true. I'd call that madness! morethan any diagnosed mental illness being dysfunctional this is.

Just my thoughts about a dysfunctional world. Breath control is so simple but effective.

Love Theressa

[truth]

Hi Westaway, Hi Theressa,

I'm only just getting to grips with how big a part faith plays in our lives, and Westaway's LI certainly started those cogs a-whirring, resulting in me realising the real extent of faith. Please bear with me for a paragraph or two.

The LI thing made me realise that the extent of our knowledge falls into five categories:
That which we know and understand
That which we know but don't understand
That which we don't know, but must learn now
That which we don't know, but will learn in the future
That which we don't know and will never need to know

The first and last categories distinguish our faith, the first in ourselves and the last in the whole. The second and third cause us problems if we're not of the mindset to want to learn, because that is when our control dramas come into play. The fourth only causes problems to those of us who are impatient, however, those with high LI can add these to their faith categories.

So, to sum up, that which causes us problems in life indicates where there are gaps in our knowledge; our life's lessons.

So, stress at work or at home is telling us that we're going to learn something interesting about ourselves. However, because it tends to be directed at us in the form of abuse, our instinct is to see it as a threat, to stress and react. Now, let's turn this around and look at the abuser. What we find is that they are the ones who are stressing; we don't know why and we don't need to know why; as they will learn their own lessons when they choose to do so. However, what we do need to do is recognise their abuse as being their cry for help. It's not easy, but all we have to do is to want to do this and we will find our own way of doing so.

Theressa, you were spot on with the listening. Usually the initial abuse is their need to vent, when we can hold our ground and allow them to do so, wanting to be able to help them, their anger soon dissipates, very often resulting in them finding their own solution.

Our stress is caused by us knowing something, but not understanding why, our reaction to that stress, our control drama, is our way of telling ourselves that we don't need to understand. When we're honest with ourselves about what we do and don't know we stop controlling our lives and instead take control of our lives.

Being told of the control dramas was a major epiphany for me, resulting in me putting together the following website:

www.liveyourlife.talktalk.net

Making sense of our lives enables us to limit: what we know, but don't understand, and that which life is telling us that we really must know now. Limiting our lack of understanding by changing our mindset to one that wants to undersand enables us to go forward, expanding our sense of faith in ourselves and everything. The good news is that everything that we are meant to understand, we can understand.

It's got to be a good thing... right?

Hope that makes sense (chortle)

Pat

[Westaway]

Hi Truth

In response to your first post – that’s absolutely fine! I am very relieved my research post has been useful.

I agree that a person with normal (or increased) LI tends to accept the reality imparted by humans around them. Sounds to me like you have a very close and healthy relationship – long may it continue!

Now getting to the second post,

I was interested to read how the theory of LLI lead you to your own examinations and revelations. Ultimately you arrived at categorising forms of knowledge and understanding of how we respond to these forms of knowledge. Fascinating stuff.

This understanding I feel, should really aid me in controlling situations, rather than getting pulled into them. If I look upon bad behaviours as a cry for help I can begin to change my attitude. Rather than thinking I should allow them to learn their own lessons I can work at defusing and helping them to find their own solution.

My next steps now appear much clearer: I must apply myself to this challenge as much as I have in my philosophical research, whilst keeping my mind open to learning and faith.

Thank you for helping me to identify these difficult situations as opportunities to grow and learn more about myself. It’s wonderful and comforting to know that my path will naturally lead me there.

Your point works well with another insight you’ve previously posted:

[Theressa]

Hi Truth and Westway and all who care to read here,

What is coming up for me is this thinking we need to help others. I don't agree anymore with this. I'll try to explain but if you get lost in what I am saying please prompt me and I'll explain further.

As you all know I like helping others. I used to go to great lengths to understand and excuse others behaviours. Yes I am a sucker for a sob story But, these days I've put the focus on me.

My job is to focus on me. I think what others mirror to us is not sameness exactly but, they evoke our responses. These responses are what we need to work on. Yes it is true that the whole of us is similar to others and yes TRUTH I hear you when you say that we'd do better to see how they remind us of our weaknesses.

But, the real beauty is they show us our responses. E.g my care taking is evoked or not if I see someone struggling. This is what I need to work on. I need to know how to facilitate someone else standing on their own feet. Rather than me carrying them.

My response to an intimidator may be to run away, shout back or plead with them OR realise they need professional help and move away knowing i need to protect myself.

I am now of the opinion that some people need someone objective to help them to facilitate growth and thus, It is no use me trying to sort them out.

Thus, I need to choose people who are able to have equally resourced relationships and NOT just feel sorry for those who are emotionally dysfunctional who actually may need counselling, NOT CARRYING.

We are all victims of belief systems/human condition. Yes it is wise to step outside at times to accept others BUT, also there is a time when one needs to limit ones self to some people and environments.

I do like the LL theory though.

Not sure if this is relevant just had an urge to post it after reading both of your posts.

Love
Theressa