Soul, Spirit, Mind, Body Defined

[michellepetkus]

MM2,

[Theressa]

Hi All,

I have not really posted much on this thread because it reminds me too much of the control I experienced in religion.

I joined celestine prophecy's website because my spirituality and expression is one key area of my life that is FREE and I express it in my own way. Therefore, I tend to stay clear of anything that seems to be insistant on me behaving in a certain way. I have been asked many times to join this association and that association but, I have refrained. I won't join any reiki association or any board that is dictating my behaviour.

For me my reiki, my spiritual development is the one area I will insist that I won't be controlled or told how to behave. If people want ME to contribute then I choose only to do so if I can be totally ME and not have anyone tell me how to in this moment be. For I am me and i give no apology for being ME.

I have found this thread very hard to post on. Due to the hostility. I know hostility and conflict help us grow but, I am afraid I do not have time to spend reading stuff about how others should behave. So, many religious types have told me they know how I should be. Well I disagree only in my heart is the direction I go instilled, not in man/woman or any code of conduct. I have enough of that in my professional life.

So, I bid you all love and light but, I am afraid I don't like the energy in this thread.

Love
Theressa xxxx

[MM2]

These 2 posts by you Michelle and you Theresa may be the last in this thread if the energy is really perceived to be that negative.

I would like to say that a very similar conversation occurred in the Celestine Chat before the forum existed several years ago and that our version of it here on the forum is more thoughtful and positive than it was back then. This conversation to me was actually a sign of hope and I was perceiving it as a positive experience even if progress was slow.

Saying this, I would still like to invite people to work together on this and to overcome negativity or their perception of it to the limits of their strength.

I suppose what concerns me is your comment michelle:

[Bolt]

[Theressa]

Hi MM2, Hi All,

We all have our own world view. We all have our own interpretation. These are based on our own culture and our own sense of right or wrong. I am getting the impression this thread was meant as a discussion of these key spiritual concepts.

This was positive however, if people were allowed to just discuss and share without and rules it would have flowed naturally. When we allow people to be and share who they are wonderful things can be gained. As when we are our real selves we learn so much unhindered.

I understand u wanted this thread to be a discussion so we could each expand and if it is then maybe it would be good if u let go of control and just let it flow.

MM2 just allow things to just happen and trust they are perfect for that moment and the most learning is gotten when people are allowed unhindered to express who they are.

You are courageous and want to learn and so do we. The intention was positive just maybe your enthusiasm to make it so good got in the way.

Love, light and blessings
Theressa

[Guest]

As a mother and a grandmother, I have seen similar exchanges many times through out my life.

Might I suggest a simply solution?

You have to remember that this is a form of printed words where inflection of voice, body language, and eye contact is not possible. It is very possible to misunderstand and come to a negative when a negative was never intended.

If one feels that someone has written something that gives them concern - WRITE to that person and ask them about it privately. I have found that when such an approach is taken, many of the negative thoughts that one harbors are found to be moot. There is no need to bring about negative feelings to an area that is to be for discussion and such doesn’t help with discussion. Such an approach shows respect not only for the other person, but for all others that come to the discussion area.

Other than that suggestion - as to the reason for the thread - interesting comments.

My personal view to be added to the others is that I see the soul as the part of the individual being that yearns to be re-united with the Creator.

Spirit is the power that is that is the positive within the world and that yearns to join with the soul’s of those that are willing to allow it within to become part of that being.

It is within the body that we attempt to unite the both and live the life that best reflects the Spirit that is the source of all within the universe. It will not be the same in each individual. Each has their own unique relationship with the Creator. There is no way to compare one to another as if to suggest one is ‘higher’ or ‘lower’ than another because in the Creator’s eyes - both are special and loved beyond our comprehension. It is towards comprehension of such that all of us attain towards.

This of course is only my view as of this moment in my life and up for possible changes in thought as I learn and grow more.

[Theressa]

Hi All, Hi Rene,

Rene I agree with what you say about each individual having a unique relationship with the creator or the ALL. I would go as far to say also that we each have a unique relationship with every facet/person/thing/expression of the creation/creator/all. This is why for me boundaries are very important because otherwise we may interfere in two souls experiencing what each offers and growing self awareness and other awareness of our patterns and being.

I am feeling much more posititve about this thread now and it feels more like a dialogue. I feel i have a unique relationship with RENE, MM2, Michelle and all the others who post here.

I look for ward to discussing these concepts more.

Love, light and blessings
to all i relate to here
Theressa

[eaglesoul]

[quote="Bolt"][quote="truth"]You will note that MM2 didn't offer own definitions at the beginning of this topic, rather asked for definitions of others, which showed lack of confidence triggering a need to control, also the need for rules and regulations, again, a need to control borne of lack of confidence.[/quote]

I really didn't see it that way. I saw a lack of self-definitions as a way to avoid controlling as much as possible. Standard human thinking tells us that we can influence other people's opinions of their original ideas by providing our own. Granted, this is the original intention of this topic, but it was basic human nature to try not to interfere with the process by "seeding the pot" from the start of the topic. Additionally, it is quite rude to refer to someone as though they are not here on a forum, especially in their own topic.

I also agree that we need to help those that are still trying to control, but not in the manner that you two did. The direct approach rarely ever works the way it was intended, by which I mean, you cannot control a person to stop controlling. My manner, correction without control, has always worked for me. It is a slower process but yields greater results.

Finally, MM2, an apology does not need to be made simply from hurting someone. If that was all that was needed, no one would ever utter the word, as it didn't seem hurtful to them. I have developed the habit of apologizing often, perhaps too often, as I feel it is better to err on the side of caution than to hurt anyone unintentionally.[/quote]
Bolt I am with you in this one....you cannot control a person to stop controlling....one can only state one`s position , honestly....and hope for the best, as Gandhi teached us so clearly, thuth , firm and unwavering , kind but resolute ,has a power to reach the other one , that is really miracuolus.
As for the topic being discussed , I can add a concept from the hindu numerology, that may add another facet...in their belief system , there also exists the emotional body, what James adresses in the control dramas part of the insights, we as westeners tend to separate ( mind stuff put things apart ) mind -body -soul/spirit- , and that does not permit us to visualize the whole , besides we tend to forget that emotions and/or feelings do exist , run much more deeper and powerful than any other so called part of ourselves , and usually when unchecked , run havoc in mind/soul/ body ...ruinning communication, stopping the flow ,etc,what if we incorporate the emotional body into the soul-Spirit/mind / body being that we are , and pay attention to it while we post? or in short can we communicate from our heart , put it in the driver seat?
Yes. I can see too MM2 need for rules and regulations , makes me feel he may fear chaos , I can relate , I felt this way for a long time , until I saw that chaos holds an opportunity for order inside it , but this is my view ,
better ask him ...what is that u fear that express that need for rules? here in the Forum we have only guidelines , each of us has to go finding its own inner regulations , nothing is extremely fixed in this Universe , neither is by chance...the beauty of it is that there is an order implicit , where chaos has a place too...isnt that great?

[Theressa]

Hi All, Hi Eagle soul,

I like the idea that you have reminded us of the emotional body that is very dominant and usually is magnetic and attracts so much to us.

I can see how my emotions really affect alot that happens in my life. If I am tired however, this adds to my emotions.

I'd like to hear more from you and anyone else about this emotional body and how it affects the whole?

Look forward to hearing your viewpoint and that of others.

HUGS to MM2 also for being honest, open and courageous and learning all the time.
Theressa

[eaglesoul]

Yes ,Theressa I agree when one is tired , emotions seem to be more in the surface,To me it feels like my skin is thinner...and when relaxed , at peace ,connected to the Source ,my energetic skin is thicker and bounces back any negative emotion .
To me the emotional body is like a dress I wear ,feel like I choose the colour in the morning, sometimes is blue, other times is flaming red, or soft rose ...and then during the day it gets tainted by the things that happen ,in me and around me ...I always need to check if there is any stain left , and I am responsible of cleaning it at the end of the day ..cause stains get out better when cleaned right away !
In sync with this , I am being reminded of the angels message for today
( From Doreen VirtueDaily Guidance) ,it was :
"Elevate your frequencies
Your energy frequency is influenced by your thoughts , words and lifestyle. There are many benefits to increasing it , including faster rates of manifestation and healing, clearer Divine communication, and a greater sense of peace and happiness.Today we will begin working on elevating this frequency to higuer levels.
Take a moment t center yourself through your breath, quieting your body and mind . Hold the aim of seeing or feeling your energy frequency level. Do not worry if you dont know what it means, as your intentions will take you there.
Notice any impressions you receive. Do you see any colors, feel certain temperatures or perceive images, thoughts or [b]feelings[/b]? Whatever comes to you is correct, so please trust your accuracy.
Send the exhalation of your breath to your energy frequency. Notice how this affects aspects such as its color or feelings. Sense your power increase with this breath and positive attention.
Thought for today
My energy level now ascends to its higuest rate , according to my perfect health and harmony"
So if we use this information, from our soul comes the intention, that counts more than understanding ( mind always want to understand) , but the accent is put in a different kind of perception ( intuitive),and the thoughts and the words we choose to use(mind at good use) will influence or even determine the feelings , the color of our energy frequency...(emotional body) and we can use the breath (body capacity) to elevate the energy rate...or diminish it.
Not small matter, ah?
thank you for helping me put it together...it was perfect sync for me today!

[Theressa]

Hi Eaglesoul,

I saw Orange and then Green when I did this exercise.

What do they mean?

Blessings
Theressa

[eaglesoul]

Dear Theressa :
Whatever they mean to you...that is a personal thing , to me I associate orange with yoga , since in the yoga tradition swamis wear that color. And green is the color of life , of forests , of all the natural world,so to me it is a sign of life itself ,of the balance found in living connected to the natural world...to me it is also a sign to eat more vegetables!
In your case I dont know you could check the colors associated with the chakras ,i dont remember it exactly but I guess that orange was 2nd chakra and green is 4th . Check it out , and notice all the orange and green things around...they may have a clue for u.
Does someone else have a hint?

[Theressa]

Hi All,

For me Orange is about Action/movement. Green is about relationship to other things and Love.

So, I am thinking about my studies and how i need to see the bigger picture amongst my struggles and fears and major learning curves. I know that out of this struggle great learning, great awareness and a ripple effect will result.

This week has been a week when all my fears surfaced. When my weakness were highlighted, when my faith was low, when friends held me up, when i was felt stressed and stuck.

You see I didn't have the best of education in the first instance. However, despite this I have taken every opportunity to try and learn the skills and knowledge I never received at school. I went back to college to do English and Maths. Only to find that I still don't know half enough. Why? because the tutors were too busy sorting out people with learning difficulties to spend time teaching me. All this intergration of levels is not effective.

I got to the stage where I was feeling that my past experiences were weighing me down. They were holding me back. On the one hand, my past experiences are valuable as they enhance my compassion for those who are vulnerable, however, on the other hand they hinder me academically. For poor grammar is seen as a terrible issue in the educated circles I am now in.

I began to doubt that this was the place for me. Did I actually deserve this place at UNI, amongst all these educated people?

My feedback from my tutor said sentence construction, language poor, mis use of definitive articles. It said other things about me giving reasonable arguements although basic. It said bemused in one part. I never saw the rest at first. I just saw all the things that pricked at my weaknesses.

Sentence construction, poor language, mis use of definitive articles, bemused = Uneducated, fool, who is kidding herself because if she cannot do the basics then how on earth is she going to get through this.

Then I remembered that when the angels and my guides directed me to do this course they also told me it would be way outside my comfort zone but, I could do it and the help would be available.

I have alot of experience with people and I am passionate so, the academic stuff can be learnt they told me.

I have to ask myself why I am doing this course? I am doing it so I can have the opportunity to affect positively the lives of the vulnerable, because part of my life purpose is to uplift others. I am good at motivating others. So, I see my life experiences and training have qualified me in this respect.

What would happen if I didn't do this course? Then this opportunity would be missed. Then what?

Going back to the orange and green colours. I am seeing that this opportunity is helping to see I am in relationship with this course. It is showing me my progress and what I need to work on. It is also showing me the vulnerable bits in me that feel not good enough.

But, from a soul perspective I am part of the ALL, the whole and that is enough! It is all.

So, like bambi I have to keep on getting back up and having a go.

I know failure is only failure if you don't try! and that I will grow alot from doing the course this year. But, if I fail then I won't be able to do what I planned to do, what the angels and guides wanted me to do. Then what?

I can't pretend I won't be disappointed. Somethings do matter so much. They are so interwoven. Poor education on two successive times is like great BIG obstacles.

Why do we have to put up with substandard education that wastes our time and prevents us from having the necessary skills to move forward?

This interwoveness is a step too far. Should I never be able to get on because of the crappy education offered? How can I not be peed off? I feel like this is a ball and chain. However, I've tried to overcome it its as if its always hard work and near impossible!

Any insights would be appreciated. This week has brought up alot of frustration.

Thanks for listening
Theressa

[eaglesoul]

Dear Theressa : Your quest is valid in every sense , spiritual , mind and body sense .If your angels guides and your ideal of service to others guide your path by all means keep on doing what you are doing.
Frustration has to do with expectations one can let them go and center on doing one`s best, usually that is more than enough.
What you say remembers me of my struggles getting my University degree...I also did it out of a sense ofbeing guided to it , and that it would allow me to be of better service to those suffering , but in there felt so, so inadequate, my path util then had been so different ,and some teachers were so hostile that almost left it at the begginning... but certain as the sun rises every morning , help came when needed, and I made friends that eased the way ..but most of all , I struggled with my fears of not being good enough, and as anxiety piled up my ability to cope with deadlines and exams got worse , something that I later learned happens a lot when you confront education as an adult.
Then doing yoga and going for a ride in my bike , became a necessity , besides my meditation practice, physical exercise was my way back to balance , connected me with an inner strenght I didn`t know existed .
This was my experience, we are all different , you need to findyour own ,hope mine helps you in looking for ways to regain the strenght needed at this time.
Many blessings

[MM2]

There is a great deal to comment on here. I guess I can address Bolts answer to the question, since they were the only one to answer it: