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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Tao - Chapter 3 Reply with quote

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Tao - Chapter 3 Reply with quote

i havnt gone back and re read the first posts
but got from them not a real lot of what the Tao is

like what does the name mean
the time it was written
who wrote it
who used it
how was it used
was it a sect thing
or a teqnique?

ie its roots and best use?
are each line a meditation point
there are many concepts in each line
are they meant to be a progressive mantra

in short i should normally do some back ground study on the matter

i have long used ichin
GeneHrsy wrote:
thod [but by using sysncronisity [via numbered straws and a dice
[instantainiously giving number and verse

i feel the tao could also be used this way

are there traditional interpritations on each line ?
giving me real time pointers

[quote="GeneHrsy"]Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.

here is a typical
wrongism

i autoeliminate not as nonsense
]what reality isnt [ie is not not ,thus is real]

also im reading them western way
left to right
im sure they were possably read RIGHT to left

thus the USERS of it in its OWN real time
would [could?] have read it as
QUARRELING
prevents
the GIFTED exalting [NOT]
Quote:


Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.

STEALING prevents treasures collecting [NOTe]
Quote:


Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

a HEART OF THE CoN_FUSION
prevents desirable seeing

NOT serving two master [or being of two minds ]
or saying your yes to MEAN yes [not no [lnow]

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The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.

our beliefs are like as
bones
cleaning our mind into oneness
strenghtens our bones
as we weaken ambition
by stuffing bellies
and not emptying our hearts
this is a wise rule [THE wise rule]
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If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One Under God,

Your enthusiasm is awesome! Smile

The Tao is often described as the wind of change (another description of the force of God - in another cultural framework). It is an ancient Chinese philosophy written by Lao Tzu. Here is a cut and paste from the taopage.org: History - Structure - Philosophy

According to tradition, the work originates in the 4th century BC, but recent discoveries showed that it is no early than the 4th or 3rd century. The oldest existing copy is from 206 or 195 BC.

Lao-tzu would have composed this work by the request of Yin Hsi, the guardian of the mountain pass, while he began his wandering towards West.

The book consists of 81 short chapters among which 37 form the first part, the Classic of the Way (Tao), and the next 44 form the Classic of Te ("te" is a word translated by James Legge in relation with "Tao" as "characteristics", the entire title of the book would be The Classic about Tao and its Characteristics).

Its division in chapters is considered to be the result of the remarks of mysterious Ho-shang kung (Han dynasty).

The philosophy of this classic focused on concepts like: tao and te, wu-wei (usually translated as nondoing) and fu (the return of all things to their origins). The goal of the Taoist philosophy is, according to the scholars, to become one with tao, inwardly achieving the universal rule of the return to origins. But for this purpose the disciple has to achieve the emptiness (wu) and to practice the nondoing.

However, we must not ignore the fact that Tao-te ching is a composite work (although its unity is asserted or wished) which, the same way as I-ching, underwent influences and taints in the most various ways.

The second part of the book seems to be compiled by the Confucianists because it dwells unlawfully much on the art of governing, and the Taoists didn't show interested in this aspect. It is also true that the art of governing is related to the Tao (or from the imitation of Tao) and its characteristics (Te).

Today, Tao-te ching is being considered the main source of Taoism ideas and concepts. However, it remains further an obscure and very difficult to interpret ancient book.

The review authors always offer us selected aphorisms from the first part of the book, interpreted from Christian ethics or dogmatic esoteric philosophies point of view, whichever flourish nowadays.


I always read Chinese philosophy with the light hearted intent it is written with. As with anything, take what makes sense to you, the rest is to ponder or ignore as you will. Very Happy
We usually try to interpret the direction of the writing in the translation. Translation generally means that we try to convey the meaning of what is being said the best way possible in the translated language. But reading them backwards is kinda fun. Laughing Cool Laughing
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Gene
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