Control Dramas Challenge 1

[Theressa]

Hi Pat, Hi MM2,

Pat your post reminded me of yesterday when I was out with some friends from uni after our exams. One of the girls girlfriends came out with us. She firstly said to me about another girl 'i sense something weird about her' Then later said 'i don't think she'll make it to third year' I said 'why she works hard and is passionate' again she responded saying
'i just sense she won't. Do you want to bet me £10.' I said 'No as i don't think any of us can say what the future might bring and I also don't feel its up to me to judge anyone else or how they might progress. She's a person with good intentions.' The girl said 'urm but she's not had the experiences i've had.' I said 'nope but she's had her own experiences and i don't see how you can sense something is not right about her since you know hardly anything about her only what you have been told by your girlfriend.' I wondered Pat was this the girls intuition or was it really based on thoughts she had about the girl based on something said in the past? Later her girlfriend told me that it was about two butch lesbians being in competition. Whatever it was I was left wondering if it is actually possible to make a judgement about anyone without intuition based on just on past experiences? If we do as I believe evolve continually then it seems that who we were is not who we are anymore so is it fair to base ones assessment on the past?

I now move to your comment about just feeling something is right. I am wondering about this since doesn't something feel right if you like it? Therefore, is it really anything to do with something feeling right? I felt so afraid when i was going to uni but my solar plexus buzzed and i took this signal to be telling me it was right for me. Also other psychic readings have also confirmed that social work is my calling. However, if I had just gone with whether something felt good believe me when i felt fear i'd have been out of there! I do use oracles and angel cards and sometime tarot and thus these confirmed that despite my fears that it was the right thing to do, to keep going. But, I come back to your point Pat about something feeling right. I feel very passionate about social work and facilitating others growth and development but at times I've felt terribly scared and even gotten physically sick, but I know that my psychic readings and even my intellect knew that I really wanted to do social work.

Can't wait to hear your reply.

Hugs
Theressa xxx

[truth]

Hi Theressa,

You seem in good fettle - did the exam go okay?

Can we predict accurately somebody else's future based on past experience? My answer would be only if we were able to influence that other person's path. For example a parent and child, if a parent were to constantly tell the child that they were useless, no doubt there'd be a good chance that they'd grow up useless. However, there are people who can read other people really well, can rationally recognise others' weaknesses and use that knowledge to their own advantage, propping up their own insecurities by using those of others against them - to the outside world they could be seen to be mean and nasty manipulators, but also people who are insecure in themselves. That's the only sense I can make of somebody taking time out of their precious life to denegrate someone else's... instinctive survival mechanism.

As to the readings, I really don't know and have little experience of it - other than being told a few years ago that I'd live into my nineties and would not be a burden - at which point I decided to get fit! I firmly believe that the planetary positioning influences our emotional wellbeing, but as to our future lives - really no clue at all. My own new philosophy is to live wanting peace and abundance for all - that peace and abundance being realisable now, this very minute, with a change in the state of mind.

From a law of attraction perspective I believe that we are drawn to that which will help us find the state of mind we seek, which is rather strange really, because I had a very clear picture this morning as to how this might work:

Imagine ourselves as spirits, occupying a piece of space, with the ability to bring together all the physical aspects of life to form the life we want to live. However, our spirit has to first of all contend with our sometimes rational, but mostly irrational physical self. Our spirit is ready to deal with an insecurity of ours that is holding us back in life and starts to draw to it that which we, in our physical form, need next to confront. Now, if we can start everyday knowing that every single experience we have will be a step closer to us bringing our true selves to life, is that sufficient to energise us enough to get us through the tricky bits? What do you think?

I'm interested in what you wrote about being buzzed, because that's what I'd associate with being energised. However, the intuition that I referred to is more holistic in that it is as though everything is telling us it is right - I just know it's right without actually knowing anything about it at all. It's the things in life that I can not not do. For example, there was no doubt in my mind that I had to come back to live in the UK - there were no physical clues whatsoever, but I knew that it had to be done. It was only later that I realised that what I'd set out to find there - their optimism and can-do attitude to life - had been realised in my self, which made the time ripe for me to bring it back home and live it.

Linking those two together I can only deduce that when we go where our spirit wants us to go with faith in its guidance, we live the life it wants us to live... goodness knows why or where it is headed, but it's an amazing journey!

So MM2, I guess that control dramas are at play whenever we are unsure about where life (our spirit) is taking us... maybe?

I do so love this life, totally crazy and yet so beautiful... no wonder we weren't taught this stuff in school - where would they have started? I know, Shirohito's love...

Pat
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[Theressa]

Hi Pat,

I feel really good today. The exams are done and I feel a relief. Marking is done in six weeks. I feel relaxed and freedom YIPPPEEE!!!! Like when school finishes for the summer. Like kids do. I need to think about benefits and finding work etc but for today I am enjoying doing whatever i want lol!!!

I think that you are spot on with your point saying that our spirit draws to us our insecurities so we can deal with them so they no longer hold us back. I guess this is why my writing skills have come up as i have found for some years these have held me back.

I've been reading a lovely book about random acts of kindness. It speaks about helping from different chakra levels. It speaks about how the throat chakra can be the hardest place to help from because sometimes we need to say words which are a sort of tough love. We sometimes need to speak of the reality.

Then another book i've been reading is called Loving what is by Byron Katie. I've only just started it today. It speaks of GOD is the reality. Regardless of how much we argue with it, it is. This got me thinking about how i responded to shamana post. It is okay for him to think whatever he likes about me and my actions as that's his view.

For me reality is us learning out there on the canvass to paint. We may make many mis-takes but the universe is okay because it is all learning and awareness.

I realised the other day that i still had some aspects and always will of me that were dependent and controlling. They were about my other half making me feel good. Then a AHA moment came and i thought wait a minute its not down to him or his actions BUT down to me to make me feel good. The reason i was feeling bad was to do with my poor self evaluation about my progress and thus my essay skills. This had nothing to do with him so why should he do something to change my thinking about something or help me escape these feelings caused by MY thoughts? Well instead i could just work through my thinking and see how harsh i was being on me.

I am going for a lie down as i am tired ha ha!!!

Speak soon
and well done to us for finish our first year at UNI
Theressa
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Trying not to control anyone else cos its not my business. Nor is my business to change anyone but by changing me the whole does change so its a paradox. I can and cannot control another at the same time.

[Grahame]

I have actually taken the time to read this entire thread. Interestingly I watched myself as I read it. I watched myself 'take sides', I watched myself behave negatively toward different posts, and lovingly embrace other posts. I watched myself wax and wane. I watched myself check-out and then check back in again. I watched myself wanting to respond to specific comments. But most importantly, I watched myself grow. I watched myself releasing all the words and embracing the things that arose within me.

I am a new person for having read it.
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[Theressa]

Hi Grahame,

What please would you share here what arose within you and share your experiences?

I'd love to hear.

Love, light and blessings
Theressa xx

[Grahame]

Theressa,

It is difficult to put words to, and that in itself encapsulates much of what I was referring to in my last message. If I were to give it a go though, I might say something like...

I watched myself getting involved in the conversation, I actually started to have a dialogue with everyone who had posted comments, and then I realised that there was something outside of the conversation observing it all, observing my participation. The participation itself was about what I 'thought' of the topic; the thing that was observing it was more about what the conversation revealed about me.

The content of the conversation become irrelevant, my experience of the conversation became everything.

I trust that conveys in part the experience that prompted my initial post It's also the reason I find more value in not addressing the topic directly or anyone else's thoughts about the topic.

Grahame
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"Problems cannot be solved from the same level of consciousness that created them" - Einstien

[eaglesoul]

Thank you Grahame
you have put in words my own experience...
and you have lifted the energy level here...to a higuer place ,a better one
and in doing so you are as consequent with your quote as possible...
problems certainly cannot be solved from the same energy level where they arose....aka mind frame...
on both posts , this one and the consumerism one u have put the finger exactly where is needed to focus on ...
great ....

tks


and thank you for asking that question Theressa ...
Love ya CV loving ones...
Namaste to all
P

[truth]

Hi Grahame,

Thank you for revealing the next step so eloquently - the importance of observation - a detachment from direct involvement in the proceedings, in conjunction with a spiritual pull towards progressive involvement - great stuff... qualities to which I believe we all aspire - beautiful.

I would also like to thank everyone involved in getting us to where we are now - that spiritual pull towards progressive involvement comes in many forms in this life and they all have to be welcomed whether we are comfortable with them or not.

Eaglesoul, for me to make real progress in life I have had to open myself wide open to honest scrutiny and this forum has been ideal for enabling that experience to take place - safely. My philosophy is that we are our own judge and, in order to trust and love that judge implicitly, we have to learn who we truly are - I do that by welcoming life's challenges, others will have different approaches - all are right. Please bear in mind, there are those, like myself, who realised unconditional love late in life, for some, it is never realised. Without me being given the freedom to work through finding that love, my message might have gone the route of many who have passed before - either suppressed forever or dismissed as confused ravings.

As Grahame highlighted, it's important to view the whole of the thread and become aware of how the varying messages we receive challenge who we think we are. Whenever we feel discomfort - that is our discomfort - so what is it telling us? Also, this thread has been one such opportunity to get to the nitty gritty of using our spiritual awareness in everyday practical applications and for that I am more than grateful. I really believe that we do have to bring about peace by ruffling a few feathers - when done with the best of intentions - the ruffles are easily smoothed, because we take full responsibility for any fallout. So thank you, thank you, thank you all, especially MM2 for bringing the challenge to our door... it has yet again been invaluable.

I have the belief that peace and abundance for all will be the natural by-product of human self-awareness... it certainly looks like it works that way...we'll see.

Pat
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[truth]

Hi Guys,

Well, apparently it is the time for a Cancerian rebirth and there you go just a day before my 50th birthday - how cool is that?

Anyway,

I had to post what I did yesterday to work out what had been griping me over the last few days.

I could see that there were pockets of spiritual awareness dotted about the planet, but instead of seeing that they were emitting their good stuff out into the world, I saw instead that they had reduced their World to that with which they were comfortable. My dilemma being how to 'enable' 'them' to open their Worlds to all. Now, even though I knew in my heart this would happen in the fullness of time, my actions - including yesterday's posting did not reflect that belief and I was not comfortable with my actions. However, I took that discomfort and wanted to know what was causing it.

Da-dah! I realised my fear of being one of those people who 'stand around whilst evil is being done'. In some respects it is a good fear in that those who bear it want to do all they can to move things along in the 'right' direction, but at the same time it can be destructive when coupled with a lack of faith in themselves to do the right thing at the right time (screaming, shouting, protesting, basically reflecting the 'other's' behaviours) - the good news being that I was able to identify it - with your guys' help - and, with the grace of life itself, do something about it - regain my faith.

Thank you all for putting up with my childlike tantrums - love you heaps,
Pat
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[Theressa]

I am crying as i write this but i feel i must.

Pat you have brought tears to my eyes just as my daughter did yesterday. Why you may ask because just as my daughter did you touched me deep inside. She recognised some behaviour in herself she didn't like. She apologised for it. It so humbled me. I told her that Mistakes are fine as long as we have the word sorry to hand and we reflect and know how to do it better next time.

So much healing has happened for me. As Grahame said I let the feelings just come uncensored. Yesterday I watched beautiful minds by Russell Crowe and this too brought up many feelings and tears.

Then Tut brought tears to my eyes with a quote. You are now the best you have ever been and so, so am I love the universe.

This is so true! Despite appearances we are all more than we have ever been.

Love you all, love the tears you trigger in me and the laughter for I am healing.

Love
Theressa

Thank you for all being part of the whole!!!

[ceinvests]

All!!

Happy Birth Days!

Heartfull Caring Grins and Glimmers of Intentional Unconditional Love,
Ce
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[truth]

I wasn't sure which thread to post this on, but I've chosen this one rather than the industrial age one, because this thread of MM2's was solution focused rather than the other which was problem bound... and if the Spiral Dynamic's team over the weekend were right when they told me I was wrong, the problem bound thread wouldn't 'get' it anyway.

The theme for the weekend was 'Spiral Dynamics'. Has anyone come across this before? What was interesting about it for me was that it was a scientific approach to mediation using categories of human behaviours to determine how to communicate their leap to the next stage of human development. For example, one category is individualistic (consumer capitalist society), now, in order to make the leap to the next category that would use those individualistic characteristics for the betterment of all, those 'individuals' or the community that makes up that individualistic behaviour would have to be communicated to in a certain way - the way that they themselves use. There would be no point in sending in an equality focused group to bring them in to a communitarian way of being, because the group of individualistics would ride rough-shod over them - which sort of ties in with the lack of progress on the industrial age thread.

The reason I've posted this here is because Spiral Dynamics have produced a system of communicating to all of the different categories - and used it successfully including in South Africa when it was coming out of apartheid and Palestine - the overarching message being that in order to move a group of humans along to their next stage of development, they have to be communicated to in a certain way, which ties in with the strategies that MM2 was looking for. It is fascinating stuff - especially when used successfully in large scaled problem zones.

Although I would rather advocate the 'being oneself by telling it how it is and being prepared to be responsible for the consequences' approach, if it works for some, I say let's celebrate it.

Another cause for celebration was the launch this weekend of the Centre for Human Emergence in London - those guys, built on Spiral Dynamics foundations, are making those connection that I wanted to see happening between and amongst the different spiritual communities.. and putting their work into practice... mega fantastic!

One final point on the communication of ideas and thoughts... Ce in another post pointed out that her message didn't get through to her son to effect long term change, it was the friend that made that happen. However, it is possible that without her making that first move, the friend's later attempts might have fallen on deaf ears. Ce might well have been the connection that enabled her son to not reject his friends attempts to get him to recycle - I see Ce as building the foundations on which that friendship grew... when good and true, the message finally gets through.

So, the question remains, do we become strategic in our communications, or learn to be ourselves by being ourselves? The answer - whatever works for you.

[MM2]

Hello hello,

I have been checking in on the forum periodically over the past month or so but have not sat down to write replies because they often take hours for me and currently the crunch is a little stronger for me now.

I wanted to say that I very much enjoy the discussion here since my last post and there is a great deal I want to reply to...which is why I'm trying to get a big block of time worked out sufficient for such replies!

Mark
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Pessimists find difficulty in every opportunity. Optimists find opportunity in every difficulty.

[Theressa]

Pat,

I would love to hear more about spiral dynamics please will you private message me if you think this would be better?

Love and light
Theressa xx

[MM2]

Hey guys,

I'm not going to get a huge amount of time to disect and go through all the discussion here. I think we've wondered off the topic at hand and are having several conversations now. I was thinking of posting the Contrl Dramas Challenge #2 on the dialog occuring in the discussion on industrialization but didn't invest enough time to copy a meaningful section of it.

But there is one part of this discussion that is still burning in my mind, and it is when I suggested that the format that you make your posts in Theressa are all very similiar. You asked my how.

To answer in short, I will say that the majority of your posts seem to be very self centred to the point where there seems to be an imbalance in the way energy is flowing through you in terms of your outflow of energy (the energy you give to the world) and the inflow (the energy you take in). This creates imbalances in conversations and indirectly steers any conversation towards yourself which often, if your not in a high awareness and highly connected group as discussed in the 8th insight, subverts the discussion of the original discussion or lowers the expression of others as they begin to invest heavily in you.

You seem to have a great deal of problems in your life. Perhaps it could be remedies by refocusing your attention and shifting the balance between inflow and outflow and using the source to fill the gap. After looking over your posts for the last few months, it may be useful to not reference to yourself as often but find a different balance.

This is the rational conclusion I have gained and is verified intuitively for me through some of the feelings I experience when reading over your words.

Mark
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Pessimists find difficulty in every opportunity. Optimists find opportunity in every difficulty.