Capitalism

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I dont know if this is the right place to post this, of if this will be seen, but I'd like to raise a cautionary note on the notion of capitalism being "the most functional economic system" (Celestine Vision, p. 226). Capitalism is built on a fragmented and competitive mindset rather than one of unified humanity seeking shared benefit; making it a mindset outdated by the celestine message.

I can understand your wareyness of raising a criticism of capitalism in contemporary US or Europe, given the way State Communism worked out (or rather didnt!), however I think we need to start letting go of the idea of capitalism (ie: individual private ownership) in favour of Free-Market Communism.

Yup, what we need is Free-Market Communism.

No, not a contradiction in terms, but rather than solution to the problems found in each of these expressions on their own. In the Free-market alone we see people offering products in order to support, and possibly promote, themselves, with no wider guiding principles. In "State Communism" we find a centralised group planning out the lives of others “for their own good”. The first is anti-commonality, the second is anti-person. What we need is a way that combines the two so as to bring the benefits of each but the downside of neither.

Hence, Free-Market Communism.

In Free-Market Communism we all act as we see fit but for shared benefit. The means of production, the fruits of the earth's harvest, are seen as our common inheritance, for our shared benefit. However, how we utilise and build upon them is for each of us to do according to our own intuition and reason. No central planning authority telling us what is best for us, as is seen in "State Communism", and no fragmented enclosure and parochial benefit seeking, such as is seen in the traditional Free-Market.

A new economy for a new way of living.

[Bolt]

I have suggested this very thing on other forums, though without using that particular title, as most people fear the word Communism, like such a thing could destroy the world. However, there are many problems that will arrive with this system in place, which will have to be dealt with in the beginning.

Crime rates will skyrocket, as a significant lack of leadership will exist. Without the rules of a governing body, people will feel like they can do whatever they want, and will try with every opportunity. The solution, I believe, would be to slowly ween the population off of Capitalism, and into this Free-Market Communism you suggest. By slowly changing the way the governments work, people will become accustomed to the idea of being truly free.

Another significant problem would be people working for their own gains, not the benefit of all. These people are plentiful, and hard to avoid, especially in a system which can be manipulated so easily. In the early stages, these people will seem to take over as the new governing body and people, wanting stability early, will follow them. Another reason to move slowly, so that people will barely notice the transition. Also, as people grow accustomed to being more free, we will need a police of some kind, specifically for those who would take advantage of the people still clinging to their old ways and vulnerable to anything that suggests we go back.

There are other problems that need to be addressed, but that's for another time. I personally think this is a great idea, if implemented correctly. I would certainly stand behind it, and encourage others too. That doesn't make me a communist (in the way that most capitalists think) or an anarchist (as most people are wont to suggest) but simply someone else who feels we could be living better. Capitalism was good for a little while, granting us the taste of a free nation, but it's time to move on.

I would like to point out one thing, however, I believe the insights were referring to Capitalism as the best we have, so far. They didn't use those words, but I feel they are subject to change when something better comes along, like Free-Market Communism. When something like that is established, I'm sure there will be a change to suit the times.

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[9dragons]

Nothing says it better than ..

As Confucius said,

"If there be righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the character. If there be beauty in the character, there will be harmony in the home. If there be harmony in the home, there will be order in the nation. If there will be order in the nation, there will be peace in the world."

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[Bolt]

Ya know, why can't Confucius ever cut to the chase:

If there be righteousness in the heart, there will be peace in the world.

[9dragons]

You mean he is long winded?
Sometimes he is and other times,he is not.
If he is longwinded,then,he is trying to link difficult concepts with a simpler link so that one can follow the train of thought.Otherwise the message is lost.
Consider this:
1)If you understand it,it means you already have the past experience to compare it to >> like cross reference..and so,it makes sense.Or,one is really smart/wise!

2)If it doesn't make sense,then,one needs to think about it and the very process of thinking and comparing and extrapolation/application/testing exercises the mind/brain and so,not only does it improves one's thinking,one also build new pathways/synapses within the brain.Just like people that are bilingual and/or play crossword puzzles.They have a active brain and it helps reduce memory loss,depression,etc.

There is a guy here that sends in Taoist quotations.>> A Course in Miracles>>Same thing as Confucius.

By the way,in my own personal past experience,i have found one that applies to me very closely.
One of my them is:
The master is the servant
The servant is the master.

and
The more one does,the more one needs to undo.


So,just to say:
If there be righteousness in the heart, there will be peace in the world.
Not all of us can understand that and for those that don't,he has taken upon himself to provide the links.Just because one is a professor of something does not mean one can lecture well and all the students can understand the material instantly.
Think about it
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[Bolt]

He still talks to much. ¬_¬

Anyway, I do agree with his philosophies, but a lot of them are a little too complex for the people who need to read them to understand.

[9dragons]

That's why he tries to explain his concepts with more words.
The deeper the abstraction,the more explanations are needed.
Reference to historical experiences do help and a great teacher is one that communicates his/her ideas efficiently and often analyses feedback from their subjects to assess whether the message did or did not get thru and plugs the loopholes whenever possible.
A great teacher not only teaches well but learns just as much too

and one more thing..You said:

"but a lot of them are a little too complex for the people who need to read them to understand"

That is true..and that is why we choose what makes sense to us and to what level we would use our energy to understand.It is no use for a gardener to waste time to understand nuclear physics to plant a seed or vice versa ..so to each,his/her own...

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