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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Dealing with your control drama Reply with quote

I noticed that I tend to carry on every control drama when I'm in different situations. ANd I noticed that my parents used all of them on each other and on me and my brother at different times.

How do you determine which one dominates you, and how do you control a control drama?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

think of it as thinking am i happy or sad
the second your thinking of it your trying to change it

a balance of energy cant be nailed down
its only when we stay FIXED in one or the other does it become clear

i am all four most of the time
if i find my self too poor me or too agressor i moderate it
force myself to listen [or do nothing]

your possably self healing allready
being in balance none are allowed continual expression
thus you cant find one or the other

we all have most of them
it just needs the right situation to bring it out
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Control Drama (understanding/recognizing them) Reply with quote

I want to learn about the different control-dramas, how to recognize them and how to handle/deal with them? I am not quite sure what mine is, so if anyone could help me on this subject THANK YOU
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here are some REVIEUWS about the topic

not sure where there from
but its all based on celestine prophecy insights
[so someone will give links]

The key to further evolution and ending human conflict in the world is receiving energy from another source - a source we will eventually tap at will.

Food is the first way of gaining energy. In order to totally absorb the energy in food it must be appreciated and savoured. Taste is the doorway to make eating a holy experience, so that the energy from the food can enter the body.

Taking wholsome [heathy] food is only the first step.
but then other energies evolve from surval
[
enter music art poetry writing laghter , humour LOVE [even hate ] they all are ENERGY EXCHANGES

After personal energy is increased in this way, you become sensitive to
energy in all things. Then you learn to take this energy into yourself without eating.[breatharianism] [its hard core ;noting james dosnt go there ]

You have to be open, to connect, ,with others , to use your sense of appreciation, intrest love [hate ] as pointers to your teachings ,as in seeing beauty.[and appriciating it ALL is about energy [of either HIGHER evolutions or more animalistic ;negative vibe ration.

Taking this one step further will give you the sensation of being ‘filled up’ with good [or bad] energy.[even as james explains in the book by STANDING UP TO A BULLY inverts the negative .

the general aim is to be Creating a feeling of lightness and security, a being at one with the surroundings, and the universe [thus god] we [he] will generate a feeling of love for everything. You do not make yourself love. You allow love to enter You.

When you appreciate the beauty and uniqueness of things, you receive good energy.
when you judge you recieve bad energies
plus as you are you attract more

When you get to a level where you feel love,
then you can send the energy back just by
willing it so.

Love is not something we should do to be good or to make the world a better place out of some abstract moral responsibility, or because we should give up our hedonism. BUT Because its the good thing to be doing [god is GOOD]

we have free choice thus can [do ] attract the negatuive energies [thus comes sickness [evil only hurts itself with its negativity]good cant be hurt

Connecting with energy feels like excitement, then euphoria, and then entering and being love. Finding enough energy to maintain that state of love certainly helps the world, but it most directly helps us.

It is the most hedonistic thing we can do.

Humans will carry forth the evolution of the universe towards a higher and higher vibrational complexity.

We must learn to consciously fill up with the higher [good] energies and not the vile [negative ones because this energy brings on the
coincidences, [syncronicity] [ye who have [to you more of the SAME shall be given!

which help us to actualise this new higher [good] [or bad] level on a permanent basis.[realising heaven on earth [or hell]

When we open up and connect with this higher source of energy the universe will provide us with all the energy we need. That is the revelation of the FIFTH INSIGHT.

Manuscript six
Before we can connect with the energy on a permanent basis there is one more hurdle we must pass. THE SIXTH INSIGHT says that we must face up to our particular way of controlling others as whenever we fall back into this habit, we get disconnected from the source.


The key to letting it go is to bring it fully into consciousness.

We do that by seeing that our particular style of controlling others is one that we learned in childhood, to get attention, to get the energy moving our way, and we are stuck there.

This style is something we repeat over and
over again, our control drama.

This drama is one familiar scene, which we write the script when
young.

Then we repeat this scene over and over in our daily lives without being aware of it.\

When doing this we manipulate the energy
and our real life coincidences can not go forward.

Everyone manipulates for energy either aggressively,
directly forcing people to pay attention to
them,
or passively, playing on peoples’ sympathy or curiosity to gain attention.


THE INTIMIDATOR is someone who threatens you, either verbally or physically. You are forced, for fear of something bad happening to you, to pay attention to them and so to give them your energy.

This is the most aggressive type of drama.

THE INTERROGATOR is more subtle in their aggression.

They ask questions and probe into
another person’s world with the specific purpose of finding something wrong.

Once they do, then they criticise this aspect of the others life, who become self-conscious around the interrogator setting up a psychic deference which gives the interrogator the energy they desire.

They pull people from their own path and drain people’s energy because people judge themselves by what the interrogator might be thinking.

THE ALOOF withdraws, looks mysterious and secretive.

This is not being cautious but hoping
someone will try to figure out what is going on.

When someone does the aloof remains vague
forcing them to struggle and dig to discern their true feelings and in doing so send to the aloof their energy.

The longer the aloof keeps them interested and mystified the more energy is
received.

THE POOR ME tells you all the horrible things that are already happening to them, implying perhaps that you are responsible, and that, if you refuse to help, these horrible things are going to continue. They make you feel guilty in their presence even though you know there is no
reason to feel this way.

Everything they say or do puts you in a place where you have to defend
against the idea that you are not doing enough for this person. This person is seeking to control
at the most passive level.

Once we become conscious of our control drama,
then we can focus on the higher truth of our
family that lies beyond the energy conflict.

This truth tells us who we are, the path we are on and
what we are doing.

The process of finding our true spiritual identity involves looking at our
whole life as one long story, trying to find a higher meaning.

Start with the purpose of being
born to your particular family.

Then look at what you would have changed about your mother
and then your father. This is part of what you yourself are working on.
Seeing the higher perspective of your life’s events, all the interests that led you forward in the past, will give you a clear awareness of your spiritual path.

Once we transcend our particular
control drama we can comprehend the higher meaning for why we were born to our parents, and what all the twists and turns of our life were preparing us to do.

We all have a spiritual purpose,
a mission, that we have been pursuing without being fully aware of it.

Once we bring it
completely into consciousness, our lives can take off.

Before we can fully enter the special state of mind - the experience of ourselves moving onward in life guided by mysterious coincidences - we have to wake up to who we really are.

INTIMIDATOR creates POOR ME (or another Intimidator if Poor Me fails)
INTERROGATOR creates ALOOF and ALOOF creates INTERROGATOR

Manuscript Seven
The truth we are seeking is as important as the universe itself, for it enables evolution to continue. Humans are born into their historical situations and find something to stand for.

They
form a union with another human being who also has found some purpose.

The children born to
this union then reconcile these two positions by pursuing a higher synthesis, guided by the
coincidences.

Each time we fill up with energy and a coincidence happens to lead us forward in our lives, we institute this level of energy in ourselves, and so we can exist at a higher vibration.
Our children
take our level of vibration and raise it even higher.

This is how we, as humans, continue
evolution.

We are now ready to do it consciously and to accelerate the process.
No matter how afraid we
become, we now have no choice.

Once we learn what life is about, there is no way to erase the
knowledge.

If you try to do something else with your life you will always sense that you are
missing something.

When you consciously begin to experience a feeling of closeness with your surroundings, suddenly everything seems to exhibit more presence and to glow slightly.

You begin to feel
lighter and more buoyant.

To regain this buoyancy, breathe in the energy with which you have
connected. Take deep, conscious breaths, holding each for about five seconds. Check to see if
you have the right emotion - the emotion of love.

Love is not an intellectual concept or a moral imperative. I

t is a background emotion that exists
when one is connected to the energy available in the universe.

The energy of God, the Universe
or All That Is.

When you have acquired enough energy, you are ready to consciously engage evolution, to start it flowing, to produce the coincidences that will lead you forward.

First you remember your basic
life question - the one you parents gave you - because this question provides the overall context for your evolution.

Next you centre yourself on your path by discovering the immediate, smaller questions that currently confront you in life.

These questions always pertain to your larger
question and define where you are in your lifelong quest.

Once you become conscious of the questions active in the moment,
you always get some kind
of intuitive direction of what to do, or where to go.

The only time this will not occur is when you
have the wrong question in mind.

The problem in life is not in receiving the answers but in
identifying the right questions.

Once you get the questions right the answers always come.
After you get an intuition of what might happen next, then the next step is to become very alert and watchful.

Sooner or later coincidences will occur to move you in the direction indicated by
the intuition.

THE SEVENTH INSIGHT deals with the process of consciously evolving, of staying alert to every coincidence, every answer the universe has for you.

Let your perception of beauty and
iridescence lead your way.

Dreams come to tell us something about our lives that we are
missing. Thoughts and daydreams are also there to guide us.

Taking an observer position
allows us to ask why this particular thought came now.

How does it relate to my life questions?
It helps us release our need to control everything and puts us in the flow of evolution.
Fear images should be halted as soon as they come.

Then another outcome, one with a good
outcome, should be willed through the mind.

Soon, negative images will almost never happen.
Your intuitions will all be positive.

If negative images come after that then they should be taken
very seriously, and not followed.
Your body is vibrating at a certain level. If you let your energy
get too low your body suffers. That is the relationship between stress and disease.

Love is the
way we keep up our vibration and our health.

To grasp THE SEVENTH INSIGHT and truly enter the movement of evolution, one must pull all the insights into one way of being.

One must see the world as a mysterious place that provides
everything we need. If we get clear and get on to the path, then we are ready to begin the evolutionary flow.

The challenge is to find the silver lining in every event, no matter how bad.
Manuscript Eight
THE EIGHTH INSIGHT is about an interpersonal ethic, a way of treating other people so more messages are shared.

Not all people that you meet will have the energy or the
clarity to reveal the message they have for you.

You must help them by sending them
energy.

You project your energy to them by focusing on their beauty. When they
receive your energy, it helps them see their truth. T

hen they can give the truth to you. It
also warns about your growth being stopped when you become addicted to another
person.

It is about using energy in a new way when relating to people in general.
It begins at the beginning, with children.

We should view them as they are, as end
points in evolution that led us forward.

In order to learn to evolve they need our energy
on a constant basis, unconditionally.

The worst thing that can be done to children is to
drain their energy while correcting them.
That is what creates control dramas in them.

These learned manipulations on the child’s part can be avoided if the adults give them all the energy they need no matter what the situation. That is why they should always
be included in conversations about them.

This giving of energy is called LOVE.
You should never take responsibility for more children than you can give attention to.

Any adult can only give attention to and focus on one child at a time.
If there are too
many children for the number of adults, then the adults become overwhelmed and
unable to give enough energy.

The children begin to compete with each other for the
parents’ time - sibling rivalry. Children should learn the world from adults, not from children. In too many cultures children are running in gangs. Children should not be brought into the world unless there is at least one adult committed to focus full attention, all of the time, on each child.

We must BE THERE for each child
Humans will learn to extend their families beyond blood ties, so that someone else is able to provide one on one attention.

All the energy does not have to come from the
parents alone.

In fact it is better if it does not, but whoever cares for the children must
provide this one on one attention.

We should also find a way to tell a child the truth.
The truth can always be expressed at a child’s level of understanding.

We must always
be CREDIBLE.

When one first learns to be clear and to engage one’s evolution,
any of us can be
stopped, suddenly, by an addiction to another person. The reason power struggles
arise in romantic relationships and the bliss and euphoria of love ends and suddenly
turns to conflict, is a result of the flow of energy between the individuals involved.
When love first happens, the two individuals are giving each other energy
unconsciously and both people feel buoyant and elated. That is the incredible high we
all call being “in love”. Unfortunately, once they expect this feeling to come from the
other person, they cut themselves of from the energy in the universe and begin to rely
even more on the energy from each other. Eventually the energy gets depleted and so
they stop giving each other energy and fall back into their control dramas in an attempt
to force each other’s energy their way. At this point the relationship degenerates into
the usual power struggle.
Manuscript Eight (continued)
If there was competition for energy in our early family life then we may be unable to
complete an important psychological process - being able to integrate our opposite
sexual side. The reason we become addicted to someone of the opposite sex is that we
have yet to access this opposite sex energy ourselves. The mystical energy that we can
tap as an inner source is both male and female. We can eventually open up to it, but
when we first begin to evolve we have to be careful. The integration process takes
some time. If we connect prematurely with a human source for our male and female
energy, we block the universal supply.
In any family, the child must first receive energy from the adults in their life. Usually,
identifying with and integrating the energy of the same-sexed parent is accomplished
easily, but receiving energy from the other parent can be more difficult because of the
differences in the sexes.
In the case of a young girl she wants her father around and close to her at all times.
What she really wants is male energy because this complements her female side. From
this male energy she receives a sense of completion and euphoria. She can mistakenly
think that the only way to have this energy is by sexually possessing her father and
keeping him close physically. Because she intuits that this energy is really supposed to
be her own and that she should be able to command this energy at will, she wants to
direct the father as if he were that part of herself. She thinks he is magical and perfect
and able to supply her every whim. In a less than perfect family this sets up a power
conflict between the little girl and her dad. Dramas are formed as she learns to posture
herself in order to manipulate him into giving her the energy she desires.
In an ideal family, the father would remain uncompetitive. He would continue to relate
honestly and have enough energy so as to supply her unconditionally even though he
cannot do everything she asks. If the father remains open and communicative, honest
and credible, then the little girl can integrate his particular style and abilities and
proceed past an unrealistic view of her father. In the end she will see him as just a
particular human being with his own talents and faults. Once this true emulation takes
place, then the child makes an easy transition from receiving her opposite sex energy
from her father to receiving it as part of the overall energy existing in the universe at
large.
The problem is that most parents have been competing with their own children for
energy, and that has affected all of us. It is when this competition is taking place that
the opposite sex issue is not resolved. We are all stuck at the stage where we are
looking for our opposite sex energy outside of ourselves, in the person of a male or
female we can think of as ideal and magical and can possess sexually.
According to THE EIGHTH INSIGHT, when we first begin to evolve, we automatically
begin to re-unite with the opposite sex energy which comes from the universe.
However we still must be careful, because if another person comes along who offers
this energy directly we can still cut ourselves off from the true source. Until we learn to
avoid this situation, we are walking around half complete and susceptible to a person
of the opposite sex, also half complete, coming up and joining with us. The problem
with this completed person that both people believe they have reached, is that it has
taken two people to make this one whole person, one supplying the female energy and
the other supplying the male energy.
Manuscript Eight (continued)
This one whole person consequently has two heads or egos. Both people want to run
this whole person they have created and so, just as in childhood, both people want to
command the other, as if the other were they. This kind of illusion of completeness
always breaks down into a power struggle. In the end each person must take the other
for granted and even invalidate them so that they can lead this whole self in the
direction they want to go. This no longer works as it requires one partner to submit him
or herself to the other as often happened in the past.
We can still have romance, but first we must learn to complete the circle on our own.
We have to learn to stabilise our channel with the universe. That takes time, but
afterwards we are never susceptible to this problem again and we can experience a
higher relationship. When we connect romantically with another whole person after
that, we create a super -person, but it never pulls us from the path of our individual
evolution.
We can avoid these encounters by resisting the “love at first sight” feeling for a while
and learning to have platonic relationships with members of the opposite sex.
However, we must have these relationships only with people who will reveal
themselves totally, telling you how and why they are doing what they are doing - just as
this would have happened with the opposite sexed parent during an ideal childhood.
By understanding who these opposite sexed friends really are on the inside, one
breaks past one’s own fantasy projection about that gender and that releases us to
connect again with the universe.
This is not easy, especially if one has to break away from a current co-dependant
relationship. It is a real pulling apart of energy, which hurts but must be done. This is
not a new malady - we are all co-dependant and we are all growing out of it now. The
idea is to experience that sense of well being and euphoria experienced in the first
moment of a co-dependant relationship when you are alone. You get to have him or her
on the inside. After that you evolve forward and can find that special romantic
relationship that really fits you.
How we approach other people determines how quickly we evolve, how quickly our life
questions are answered. People who come along answer our questions. They open us
up. They fill us with warmth and energy somehow. By lifting people up and helping
them get clear we search for the truth, the message they have for us. Energising other
people is the best thing we can do for ourselves.
Whenever people cross our paths, there is always a message for us. Chance
encounters do not exist. How we respond to these encounters determines whether we
are able to receive the message. If we do not see the message pertaining to our current
question when we meet someone who crosses our path, then it does not mean there
was no message. We missed it for some reason. What we should do is to stop what we
are doing, no matter what, and find out the message we have for that person, and that
person has for us. Once humans grasp this reality, our interaction will slow down and
become more purposeful and deliberate.
Humans are unique in a world of energy in that they can project their energy
consciously. It is done by appreciating the beauty of an object until enough energy
comes into us to feel love. At that point we can send energy back.
Manuscript Eight (continued)
The same principal holds true with people. When we appreciate the shape and
demeanour of a person, really focus on them until their shape and features begin to
stand out and to have more presence, we can then send them energy, lifting them up.
The first step is to keep our own energy high, then we can start the flow of energy
coming into us, through us, and into the other person. The more we appreciate their
wholeness, their inner beauty, the more the energy flows into them, and naturally the
more that flows into us. The more we can love and appreciate others the more energy
flows into us. That is why loving and energising others is the best possible thing we
can do for ourselves.
The effect on the individual of this projection of energy is immense. They can feel a
greater sense of lightness and clarity as they formulate their thoughts to speak.
Because you are giving them more energy than they would otherwise have, they can
see what their truth is and more readily give it to you. When they do that you have a
sense of revelation about what they are saying. This leads you to see their higher self
even more fully and so appreciate and focus on it at an even deeper level, which gives
them even more energy and greater insight into their truth and the cycle begins over
again. Two or more people can build up tremendous highs doing this together, as they
build one another up and have it immediately returned.
This connection is totally different from a co-dependant relationship, which begins this
way but soon becomes controlling because the addiction cuts them off from their
source and the energy runs out. Real projection of energy has no attachment or
intention. Both people are just waiting for the messages.
If the person you are speaking with is already operating in a control drama we must
make sure we do not get pulled into it. We do this by not assuming the matching
drama. Then the person’s own drama will fall apart. A person cannot play a control
drama with us unless we play the matching drama. Each drama needs a matching
drama in order to be played out and take energy from the other person. All dramas are
covert strategies to get energy from the other person. Covert manipulations for energy
cannot exist if you bring them into consciousness by pointing them out. They cease to
be covert. The best truth about what is going on in a conversation always prevails.
After that the person has to be more real and honest.
The key to making it work is to simultaneously look beyond the drama at the real
person in front of you, and send them as much energy as possible. If they can feel
energy coming in any way, then it is easier for them to give up their way of
manipulating for it. The universe is energy, energy that responds to our expectations.
People are part of that energy universe too, so when we have a question, the people
show up who have the answer. Everyone who crosses our path has a message for us.
Otherwise they would have taken another path, or left earlier or later. The fact that
these people are here means that they are here for some reason.
Sudden, spontaneous eye contact is a sign that two people should talk. A sense of
recognition, seeing someone who looks familiar, even though you know you have
never seen them before is another sign. We are members of the same thought group
with certain other people.
Manuscript Eight (continued)
Thought groups are usually evolving along the same lines of interest. They think the
same and that creates the same expression and outward experience. We intuitively
recognise members of our own thought group and very often they provide messages
for us.
When you are appreciating someone at a deeper level, you can see their most honest
self beyond any facades they may put up. When you really focus at this level, you can
perceive what someone is thinking as a subtle expression on their face. If you look
beyond a person’s nervousness you can perceive a new, more energised look on their
face.
Part of THE EIGHTH INSIGHT is learning to interact consciously when in a group.
Understanding the process without becoming self-conscious. When members of a
group talk, only one will have the most powerful idea at any one point in time. If they
are alert the others in the group can feel who is about to speak, and they can
consciously focus their energy on this person, helping to bring out his idea with the
greatest clarity. Then as the conversation proceeds, someone else will have the most
powerful idea, then someone else and so on. If you concentrate on what is being said,
you can feel when it is your turn. The idea will come up into your mind.
The key to this process is to speak up when it is your moment and to project energy
when it is someone else’s turn. Some people get inflated when in a group. They feel the
power of an idea and express it, then because that burst of energy feels good, they
keep on talking, long after the energy should have shifted to someone else. They try to
monopolise the group. Others are pulled back and even when they feel the power of an
idea, they won’t risk saying it. When this happens, the group fragments and the group
do not get the benefit of all the messages.
The same thing happens when some members of the group are not accepted by some
of the others. The rejected individuals are prevented from receiving the energy and so
the group misses the benefit of their ideas. When we dislike someone, or feel
threatened by someone, the natural tendency is to focus on something we dislike
about the person, something that irritates us. Unfortunately, when we do this - instead
of seeing the deeper beauty of the person and giving them energy - we take energy
from them and actually do them harm. All they know is they suddenly feel less beautiful
and less confident and it is because we sapped their energy.
Humans are ageing each other at a tremendous rate with their violent competition. The
idea is for every member’s energy and vibration to increase because of the energy sent
by all the others. Everyone’s individual energy field merges with everyone else’s and
makes one pool of energy. It is as if the group is just one body with many heads.
Sometimes one head talks for the body and sometimes another. In a group functioning
like this, each individual knows when to speak and what to say because they truly see
life more clearly. The group attains a higher level of awareness. This is the same higher
level that can be obtained in a romantic relationship between a man and a woman.
Manuscript nine
THE NINTH INSIGHT explains what will happen as the culture evolves forward. This
way of consciously relating, in which everyone attempts to bring out the best in others
rather than to have power over them is a posture the entire human race will eventually
adopt. At that point everyone’s energy level and pace of evolution will increase
exponentially.
Human culture will change in the next millennium as a result of conscious evolution.
We will voluntarily decrease our population so that we may all live in the most powerful
and beautiful places on the Earth. Many more of these areas will exist in the future
because we will intentionally let the forests go uncut so that they can mature and gain
energy. By the middle of the next millennium humans will typically live among five
hundred year old trees and carefully tended gardens, yet within easy travel distance of
an urban area of incredible technology.
By then the means of survival - foodstuffs, clothing and transportation - will all be
totally automated and at everyone’s disposal. Our needs will be met without the
exchange of any currency, yet also without any overindulgence or laziness. Guided by
their intuitions, everyone will know precisely what to do and when to do it, and this will
fit harmoniously with the actions of others. No one will consume excessively because
we will have let go of the need to possess and control for security.
Our sense of purpose will be satisfied by the thrill of our own evolution - by the elation
of receiving intuitions and then watching closely as our destinies unfold. Everyone will
slow down and become more alert, ever vigilant for the next meaningful encounter that
comes along. Two people meeting for the first time will first observe the other’s energy
field, exposing any manipulations. Once clear, they will consciously share life stories
until, elatedly, messages are discovered. Afterward each will continue on their
individual journey but they will be significantly altered. Each will vibrate on a new level
and will thereafter touch others in a way not possible before the meeting.
The human race will first experience a period of intense introspection. We will grasp
how beautiful and spiritual the natural world really is. We will see trees, rivers and
mountains as temples of great power to be held in reverence and awe. We will demand
an end to any economic activity that threatens this treasure. Those closest to this
situation will find alternative solutions to this pollution problem because someone will
intuit these alternatives as they seek their own evolution. During this period there will
be a dramatic movement of individuals from one occupation to another with some
people changing careers many times in their lifetime.
The next cultural shift will be an automation of the production of goods. This
automation will free up everyone’s time to pursue other endeavours. We will realise
that the truth we have to tell and the things we have to do are too unique to fit within a
usual job setting. We will find ways to cut our employment hours to pursue our own
truth. Our incomes will remain stable because of the people who are giving us money
for the insights we provide. As we discover more about the energy dynamics of the
universe, we will see what really happens when we give someone something. Giving is
really a universal principle of support, not just for churches, but for everyone.
Manuscript nine (continued)
When we give, we receive in return because of the way energy interacts in the universe.
When we project energy into someone this creates a void in ourselves which, if
connected, fills up again. Money works exactly the same way. Once we begin to give
constantly, we will always have more coming in than we could possibly give away.
When people come into our lives at just the right time to give us the answers we need,
we should give them money.
As more people engage in this spiritual economy we will begin a real shift into the
culture of the next millennium. We will have moved through the stage of evolving into
our true profession and will be entering the stage of getting paid for evolving freely and
offering our unique truth to others. Being paid by the people we touch will allow the
material supports of life to become fully automated and free to all. This will allow us to
expand what is already the information age.
We are here on this planet not to build personal empires of control, but to evolve.
Paying others for their insights will begin the transformation. Then as more and more
parts of the economy are automated, currency will disappear altogether. If we are
correctly following our intuitive guidance then we will take only what we need.
As the human race evolves spiritually, we will voluntarily decrease the population to a
point sustainable by the Earth. We will be committed to living within the natural energy
systems of the planet. Farming will be automated except for the plants one wants to
energise personally and then consume. The trees necessary for construction will be
grown in special, designated areas. This will free the remainder of the earth’s trees to
grow, age and finally mature into powerful forests. All humans will live in close
proximity to this kind of power.
The more readily we have energy flowing into us, the more mysteriously the universe
responds by bringing people into our lives to answer our questions. Every time we
follow an intuition and some mysterious encounter leads us forward, our personal
vibration increases.
Evolution is the way God created and is still creating. Evolution is not a replacement
for God but a synthesis of both the religious and scientific world views. The progress
of succeeding generations is an evolution of understanding, an evolution toward a
higher spirituality and vibration. Each generation incorporates more energy and
accumulates more truth which they pass on to the next generation, who extend it
further.
All religion is about humankind finding relationship to one higher source. All religions
speak of a perception of god within, a perception that fills us, makes us more than we
were. Religions become corrupted when leaders are assigned to explain God’s will to
the people instead of showing them how to find this direction within themselves.
Sometime in history an individual would grasp the exact way of connecting with God’s
source of energy and direction. They then became a lasting example that this
connection is possible. By raising their energy and vibration to a level, which made
them light enough to perform “miracles”.
Manuscript nine (continued)
As humans, we are the culmination so far of the whole of evolution. From matter in its
simplest form -hydrogen - increasing in complexity, element by element, species by
species, always evolving into a higher state of vibration. When primitive humans came
along, we continued this evolution subconsciously by conquering others and gaining
energy. This physical conflict continued until we invented democracy, a system that
did not end the conflict but moved it from a physical to a mental level.
All of human history has prepared us to achieve conscious evolution. Now we can
increase our energy and experience the coincidences consciously. This carries
evolution onward at a faster pace, lifting our vibrations even higher. Our destiny is to
continue to increase our energy level. As our energy level increases so the level of
vibration in the atoms of our body increases. We are getting lighter, more purely
spiritual.
As we continue to increase our vibration, an amazing thing will begin to happen. Whole
groups of people, once they reach a certain level, will suddenly become invisible to
those who are vibrating at a lower level. It will appear to the people in this lower level
that the others just disappeared. The group themselves will feel as though they are still
there, only they will feel lighter.
When humans begin to raise their vibrations to a level where others cannot see them, it
will signal that we are crossing the barrier between this life and the other world from
which we came and to which we go after death. This conscious crossing over is the
one shown by Christ. He opened up to the energy until he was so light he could walk
on water. He transcended death right here on Earth, and was the first to cross over, to
expand the physical world into the spiritual. His life demonstrated how to do this. If we
connect to the source we can head the same way, step by step. At some point everyone
will vibrate highly enough so that we can walk into heaven, in our same form.
Most individuals will reach this level of vibration during the third millennium, and in
groups consisting of the people with whom they are most connected. Some cultures in
history have already achieved this level of vibration. The Mayans crossed over
together. Some individuals may cross over sporadically. A general rapture will not
occur until we have abolished fear and can maintain a sufficient vibration in all
situations.
THE NINTH INSIGHT is the insight of knowing where we are headed. All the other
insights create a picture of the world as one of incredible beauty and energy, and of us
as increasing our connection with and thus seeing this beauty. The more beauty we
can see, the more we evolve. The more we evolve the higher we vibrate. Ultimately, our
increased vibration and perception will open us up to a Heaven that is already before
us. We just cannot see it yet.
Reaching Heaven on earth is why we are here.

EXPOSITION AND CRITIQUE
As we address each Insight, we will begin with a direct quote about the Insight from Redfield’s book The Celestine
Prophecy: An Experiential Guide.5 This will be followed by a plot description, a delineation of what the particular
Insight entails, and a brief response.
The First Insight: A Critical Mass — Coincidences That Shape Our Lives — Answering the Question When
and How. A new spiritual awakening is occurring in human culture, an awakening brought about by a critical mass
of individuals who experience their lives as a spiritual unfolding, a journey in which we are led forward by
mysterious coincidences.
The Celestine Prophecy, written in the first person, opens with the main character en route to meet an old friend
named Charlene. Although this main character is never named, it appears that he is a projection of Redfield since
they share similar traits and experiences. Charlene tells him about an ancient “Manuscript,” which the Peruvian
government is suppressing at the behest of the Roman Catholic Church. Because of a dream and his curiosity, the
main character books the next flight to Peru.
The character soon learns that the First Insight is about an awareness that would develop in our own time. Society is
currently on the verge of a cultural and spiritual transformation — a “renaissance in consciousness.” This
transformation is evident because people are restless and because coincidences (i.e., synchronicity) are happening
more and more frequently. It is explained that “recognizing the importance of coincidence lays the ground work for
the remaining Insights, which inform us that the universe responds to our consciousness and expectations….”6
Redfield would have us believe that the concept of synchronicity, developed by Carl Jung, is an established
scientific fact; yet there is no evidence for it.7 Even more problematic is that a coincidence could mean almost
anything one wants it to mean. But if it is subjective then why talk of a coincidence as being meaningful, especially
if it is to convey a sense of purpose or “destiny”?8
The Second Insight: The Longer Now — Expanding the Historical Context — Delineating the First Insight.
This awakening represents the creation of a new, more complete worldview, which replaces a five-hundred-year-old
preoccupation with secular survival and comfort….
On the plane to Peru the main character “synchronistically” strikes up a conversation with Wayne Dobson, who is an
assistant professor of history. Dobson becomes the next person to relay an Insight, the Second, to our protagonist.
On arrival in Peru the main character meets Wilson James, who becomes somewhat of a liaison for synthesizing the
Insights throughout the book.
The Second Insight prophetically explains history from A.D. 1000 to the present. It supposedly offers a more correct
interpretation of recent history. For example, because of Martin Luther, the worldview of the “churchmen”
collapsed. A vacuum of uncertainty was created, which later was filled by the scientific method. This supposedly
explains our current preoccupation with materialism. The problem is that it distracts us from seeking spiritual
answers.
Redfield is seriously mistaken regarding both the “churchmen” and the development of science. He consistently
misleads his readers when he talks of history, science, and Christianity. More often than not, he burlesques these
subjects until they are unrecognizable. Redfield has done a grave injustice to the pursuit of knowledge and sacrificed
truth for his own utopia and euphoria. To believe that modern science was born from the failure of the “churchmen”
is counterfactual. The fact of the matter is the majority of the founders of the major disciplines in science were
Christian or theist.9
The Third Insight: A Matter of Energy — The Relationship Between Mind and Energy — Answering the
Question What. We now experience that we live not in a material universe, but in a universe of dynamic energy.
Everything extant is a field of sacred energy that we can sense and intuit.
Wilson James takes the main character to an awe-inspiring place called Viciente Lodge. There the character meets
Sarah Lomer, a physics teacher from Maine, who has a translated copy of the Insight. Gaining the ability from Sarah
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to see energy by focusing on the beauty of nature, the main character sees the energy field around a plant for a
moment.
The Third Insight “describes a new understanding of the physical world,” in which “we humans will learn to
perceive what was formerly an invisible type of energy.”10 This Insight is supposedly supported by two major
findings, “those of quantum mechanics and those of Albert Einstein.”11 As told by Sarah, “The whole of Einstein’s
life’s work was to show that what we perceive as hard matter is mostly empty space with a pattern of energy running
through it.” Furthermore, at the subatomic level of quantum physics, “the act of observation itself alters the results
— as if these elementary particles are influenced by what the experimenter expects.”12
As one critic notes in response to such common New Age misconceptions, quantum mechanics “provides no
mechanism for the psychic phenomena or simultaneous connections [synchronicity] between events.”13
Furthermore, the theory of Relativity in no way makes reality observer dependent.14 Philip Frank, in Philosophy of
Science, clarifies the confusion: “The ‘relativization’ of space and time is an advance in semantics and not, as has
been frequently said, an advance in metaphysics or ontology.”15
The Fourth Insight: The Struggle for Power — Competing for Energy — Answering the Question Why. To
gain energy we tend to manipulate or force others to give us attention and thus energy....
As the protagonist travels on with Wilson James, they meet Chris Reneau, a psychologist, who helps him understand
the Fourth Insight. The Insight teaches that one does not need to compete for energy since true energy comes from a
universal source.
Like other New Agers, Redfield believes Quantum Mechanics proves the monistic worldview and that
consciousness, therefore, affects reality since everything is interconnected. In Examining Holistic Medicine, Drs.
Douglas Stalker and Clark Glymour, in their article “Quantum Medicine,” state:
Quantum Mechanics has not led physicists to place any emphasis on “consciousness” as a causal factor in
experimental outcome. States of consciousness do not appear as variables in any of the papers published in
Physical Review nowadays. Physicists have not found that in order to do particle physics they must first do
psychology. Consciousness plays only a minor role in one rather implausible solution to the measurement problem;
and even if that solution is embraced, there is nothing to be learned about the physical structure of the universe from
speculations about the mind.16
The Fifth Insight: Message of the Mystics — Altered States of Consciousness — Elucidating the Fourth
Insight. Insecurity and violence ends when we experience an inner connection with divine energy within, a
connection described by mystics of all traditions.
While trying to save a friend named Marjorie, the main character is separated from James and is now on the run
from soldiers. As he contemplates his death, which he thinks is inevitable, he has a spiritual experience on a
precipice. Later he learns that what happened can be described as his ego opening to a transcendent state of “higher
self-energy.” After this experience, he meets Father Sanchez, a monk who lives in a nearby monastery and who
explains the Fifth Insight. He also learns about Cardinal Sebastian, the person behind the suppression of the
Manuscript.
The character’s vision or mystical experience helps him understand the concept of evolution; that is, humans are not
only evolving physically but also are on the verge of evolving spiritually. When his experience ends, he is left
“consumed with peace and completeness,” with feelings of “exhilaration,” “enhanced tranquillity,” and “buoyancy.”
More importantly, not only does one receive or absorb energy, but one can also give or project it to people and
things. This, he learns, is the concept of love.
In response to the Fifth Insight, just because altered states of consciousness can provide euphoric feelings it does not
make mystical teachings true. Furthermore, Redfield bases an entire worldview on a faulty interpretation of the
faulty theory of evolution.17
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The Sixth Insight: Clearing the Past — Control Dramas — Answering the Question How. The more we stay
connected, the more we are acutely aware of those times when we lose connection, usually when we are under
stress....Once our manipulations are brought to personal awareness, our connection becomes more constant and we
can discover our own growth path in life, and our spiritual mission….
The main character now travels with Father Sanchez toward the ruins at Machu Picchu to meet Sanchez’s friend,
Father Carl. Never found by the Spanish and undiscovered until 1911, Machu Picchu is located on the eastern side
of the Peruvian Andes, 7,800 feet above sea level.
This chapter describes “control dramas” and how they influence us and detract us from evolving. Simply stated,
control dramas are behaviors we developed from early childhood. They are formed in response to other people’s
personality traits, and we eventually form our own drama to control others, that is, to get energy from others. The
first step in freeing ourselves is to become conscious of the problem and understand which of the various control
dramas our parents possessed. Father Carl explains that the “process of finding your true spiritual identity involves
looking at your whole life as one long story [including past reincarnations].…Begin by asking yourself this question:
why was I born to this particular family?”18
Redfield’s theory about control dramas fails at several levels. First, his theory about energy is unfalsifiable. Second,
the notion of reincarnation conflicts with biblical teaching (see Heb. 9:27; John 9:1–3). Third, since energy and
mind are not directly related, “control dramas” are not the cause of human conflict. Rather, human conflict arises
when we fail to turn to God for our sustenance by feeding off other people or things.
The Seventh Insight: Engaging the Flow — Evolving Consciously — Answering the Question How. Knowing
our personal mission further enhances the flow of mysterious coincidences as we are guided toward our destinies.
First we have questions, then dreams, daydreams, and intuitions lead us toward the answers which usually are
synchronistically provided by the wisdom of another human being.
Sanchez teaches the main character how to gain energy so he can let his intuition guide him. The latter then decides
to go and look for Wilson James. In his search, he is captured and “coincidentally” placed in a cell with a native
Indian named Pablo. In prison he learns why the church is trying to suppress the Manuscript: it teaches evolution is
both physical and spiritual.
After having a dream that troubles him, the main character learns from Pablo that the Seventh Insight reveals how to
interpret dreams and daydreams. Later, the main character is taken from his cell and questioned by a priest, Father
Costous, who tells him, “The church feels the Manuscript is confusing people. It gives the impression that people
can decide on their own how to live, without regard to the scriptures.”19 Then the priest angrily asks a question that
is never answered: “But from what authority does this Manuscript speak? How can it be trusted?”20
Indeed, it couldn’t be trusted, were it an actual historical manuscript. The irony is, many Celestine devotees trust it
even though it is patently a fiction. Furthermore, the things in which it tells them to trust — feelings, dreams, and
intuitions — are notoriously unreliable foundations on which to base one’s entire life.
The Eighth Insight: The Interpersonal Ethic — The New Approach — Elucidating the Seventh Insight. We
can increase the frequency of guiding coincidences by uplifting every person that comes into our lives. Care must be
taken not to lose our inner connection in romantic relationships....By seeing the beauty in every face, we lift others
into their wisest self, and increase the chances of hearing a synchronistic message.
The main character is taken by jeep from the jail to see Cardinal Sebastian. With him in the jeep is Marjorie, who
has become attracted to him. On their way, they manage to escape and find themselves in the house of a woman
named Karla, who appears to have been expecting them. Karla reveals the next Insight. With the knowledge of this
Insight, the protagonist becomes aware of the mysterious power that Marjorie seems to hold over him, which can
stop his evolutionary progression.
The Insight deals with interactions with strangers and close relationships. Since chance encounters do not exist,
anyone who crosses our paths has a message for us. It says also parents should have only one child so they can focus
their energy on that child, thus helping him or her to evolve. The Manuscript goes on to say that problems arise in
romantic relationships as a result of power struggles. A further aspect of the Insight is about projecting and receiving
energy. Julia, a minor character, says, “It’s really a rather hedonistic thing to do....The more we can love and
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This is the ability, in a group setting, “to speak up when it is your moment and to project energy when it is someone
else’s time.”
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Julz,

Well done you for wanting to undertake the quest to learn. As to control dramas, we all use many controls to bring us back to our sense of comfort in our sometimes uncomfortable world. Some controls are to the detriment of others in the form of control dramas, others to the detriment of ourselves in the form of quick comfort fixes, either way, we all have a baggage of fixes that we instinctively call on whenever we feel we are losing control in life.

Now for the exciting bit: when we choose to relieve ourselves of our baggage, as you have done, our life provides opportunities for us to do so. Our task then is to rise up to the challenges that the opportunities bring... putting our core beliefs into action and bringing our true selves to life.

How to rise up to the challenges life will bring? Be open to the wonder that is life; we all have masses to learn and we're here to learn from each other. Whenever anything happens that doesn't feel right, don't react, instead: find that sense of calm, ponder, discuss, question with a want to understand and then only act when we know it is right to do so.

We very often feel under pressure to act and act now, if not sooner! However, action in the right direction is always worth the wait...

Enjoy the journey!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read the book, so all you have just written down is very familiar to me. I want to know what my specific control drama is and how to break free from it, as well how to avoid and/or deal with the different control drama's when confronted with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this a while back but will repost it here since it seems relevant.

Control Dramas are easier to see in other people than it is in ourselves. Understanding other people can help us grow but being open to truly seeing ourselves with an objective eye is when we will really see progress in ourselves. The best way to gage our control drama is to observe how we react in difficult situations. Most of us are nice when we don't feel threatened but how do you react when the stress is on or when you find yourself in a position where you want something really, really bad. Redfield surmises that there is one of four ways that we react/act. I think there may be more but for now I'll go with the author. So ask yourself and/or pay attention the next time you are feeling threatened and/or find yourself really wanting something. These types of situations will magnify your negative tendencies and help you to see them more readily.

Do you get angry/aggressive then you are an Intimidator.

Do you try to talk your way out of or into the situation then you are an Interrogator.

Do you try to run, hide, and/or shut down then you are Aloof.

Do you cry and/or use guilt to handle the situation then you are a Poor Little Me.

It is most probable that we use all of the control dramas from time to time and may even use different dramas depending on whom we are dealing with. We may also find that as we grow and change the dramas we use more often may switch. As an example, I am generally an aloof type person but when I?m driving I can, especially when I?m in a hurry, become an Intimidator. I know that I am not being nice and I am trying to learn patience when I drive but that is who I am. If I am to grow I have to be willing to open my eyes to my negative behaviors. Only then can I overcome them.

Ultimately, what we want to achieve is the ability to let life happen freely. When we use the control dramas, or as I like to think of them, defense mechanisms we are essentially trying to force life to bend to our will, which, in turn, will actually, in the long run, bring on the opposite results of what we are trying to achieve.

In closing, as you try to figure yourself out, remember to be objective. It is most likely, contrary to what Redfield may have implied, that you don't use a control drama every waking second of your life. There may be people who do but I think it is more common that people use the dramas when they feel threatened or when they have a prize in mind. This does not make you a bad person. It just means we are not utilizing the energy of the universe in a way that will gain us the results we want.

I read a book recently that ended by asking you to try an exercise. Basically it simply posed the question, if this was your last day on earth would what is transpiring really be that important to you? How would you act differently? The bottom line being life is a challenge to choose to be happy but somewhere along the road we have gotten ourselves into the habit of reacting negatively towards our discomfort. Asking yourself these questions when things get rough seems to have helped me greatly change my habits of reacting from a control drama and in its place has been a wonderful gift of peace.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Justin, I sent you a reply e-mail. Let me know if you dont get it. Sometimes my e-mail gets lost in cyberspace.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: another view Reply with quote

Attached below is what i replied to in another section of this forum but it is still relevant to this discussion:

Every step we make prepares us for the next step..
If we are the sad end of a mean person,we can try to avoid that person and since we know how it feels,one exercise more compassion and kindness to others in future..Sometimes it takes one bad incident for it to kindle another person's hope to help the unfortunate,maybe,to be a priest or doctor/engineer in a 3rd world country..
Roughing it out develops character too and some schools like the Outward Bound School or in some cases,the military have harsh instructors and i have seen many good officers suffer during training only to dish out good leadership,respect and kindness to the subordinates in the military.It does not even stop there as they bring such good habits into civilian life.
We seldom see the whole picture or sense the deeper lessons one learn years later but it can be traced to a certain good or bad incident in the past..one is ultimatedly the master of one's destiny and what one cannot change,one must accept/courage to change and the wisdom to know the difference..it is a simple phrase used by AA in USA but yet,based on that simple phrase,many lessons can be learnt..

thanks for reading this
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: how hard can we push those we love? Reply with quote

edited

this post returns to a post i poted as oug
the samer id i use on all forums

like this post i posted at the one who truelly allowed freedom to speak from the heart

i feel i pushed too hard here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5402&page=0

the belly personum is a retired union guy
and his party is in power..and this thread gets messy

but illistrates many control drama

but think
it dosnt need be a control drams
how can i tell him ',I THINK,,he has been decieved?

he did 3 years at one school
i did 3 years in dutch school's[3]
and 9 other schools in oz..we both making it up

we both love people..so far as good people mr bell is right up there
but..the people..who washed his mind ..did it too well

and im trying to help
SOMEONE who dont want helping

it cant be forced

or am i the one wrong?
should it be better to do nothing?

it dont need to be a drama
[greek tradjedy.. Rolling Eyes

are all \dramas trajic?
drama avoidance
means you dont confirm it

taking things on faith//trust..gets us there..sometimes..BRIEFLY

but learn meanings..drama ..from damatisation..
its not the same thing..i avoid drama..but do tend to the dramatic Rolling Eyes

and just want to try to get all the good in one place
but this wait let it happen hippy stuff..hasnt worked

now what..
or more important what does this indicate of my 'type'
yes four is great for learning of the concept
but we dont all fit the definition

i know im not one of the 4..consistantly
and often im nuthinness..so insane and nuthinness is 5 and 6
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see how we MUST..restore that broken by war

love war no more
all death dishounours the living loving good sustaining living..revealing herself..by her sign..life

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we got life

NOW WHAT?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: another view more vieuws Reply with quote

9dragons wrote:
Attached below is what i replied to
in another section of this forum but it is still relevant to this discussion:

can i get a link please?
your post is the first im reading..in this topic


i made a few minour changes
not this is 99 % stil your words

i will put mine in caps
Quote:



Every step we make.. prepares us for the next step..
If we are [@]..the sad end [of]..being of a mean person,
we can try to avoid ..that person


thats how we personify and make real phantoms
see a person..is derived ffrom persona..[as in an acter playing a role]

we beeged for a govt to protect us..so govt laws created 'persons'..person is a dead entity..overseen by a trustee charged with duty

like corperaions are person
govt is a person

your id birth cetificate all govt id..thats the person

your say a policeman..cause your slipped i[pon your dead 'persona'

anyhow person is created..so dead corpt govt can empower persons
all official govt workers are persons

you become a person by putting in an application..[apply means beg
we begged the beast on its own forms..we gave it life

just like god gives us our life

it of itself is just a form..but
we join the soul..to the dead paper
we bind the living being..to the dead persona fiction of person

[quote]
and since we know how it feels,..[it the person/paper/form..or you its life force trustee..over the flesh

Quote:

one

exercise more compassion and kindness to others in future..

Sometimes it takes one bad incident
for it to kindle another person's hope to help the unfortunate,..maybe,to be a priest or doctor/engineer in a 3rd world country..

our god simply requires you to b u
the best you u can b

Quote:


Roughing it out develops character Wink too

and some schools like the Outward Bound School or in some cases,the military have harsh instructors and i have seen many good officers suffer during training only to dish out good leadership,respect and kindness to the subordinates Twisted Evil in the military.

It does not even stop there
as they bring such good habits into civilian life.



yes i recall john wayne.//call me mister
an army rank..but the big key is follow the money

see when we emerged ..from the waters[just like a ship merging with the shore..you were birthed..landed..accorded a birthing perrmit..after applying for advantage..a begger is presumed to know for what he begs,,and 'the person..is born

recoded like a slave or good or shattle
from there we get all we beg..[see only ex govt can apply to get govt stuff

ONBLY THE SERRVANTS..but if we lie on their form..swear it true
they must take our word..[we wouldnt LIE ..about being a public servant/subject to all govt laws

ITS SIGNED by the mark
[sig-nature]..of the beast..LIED IN WRITING AND SIGNED IT TRUE

yes the law is only for those getting the SPECIAL person
into power..OVER other persons only

powrrs via a govt act.
.if you beggged to fall under the act...you lost your freeborn standing..and thusly stand under them all.

u joined the beast.
the dead corpus..leeching the life blood from the living

oppresive govt
Quote:


We seldom see the whole picture
or sense the deeper lessons one learn years later but it can be traced to a certain good or bad incident in the past..one is ultimatedly the master of one's destiny and what one cannot change,one must accept/courage to change and the wisdom to know the difference..

Idea

it is a simple phrase used by AA in USA but yet,based on that simple phrase,many lessons can be learnt..

thanks for reading this
9dragons


the best lessons teach others
now ..not needing its harsher karnmic balancing..the wise learn

the unwise earn
its earn or learn..but thy will be one
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see how we MUST..restore that broken by war

love war no more
all death dishounours the living loving good sustaining living..revealing herself..by her sign..life

,the only sureity is
we got life

NOW WHAT?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: im trying to clean up /clear up my posts Reply with quote

some further thoughts while cleaning up last thread

this wait let it happen hippy stuff..
hasnt worked

now what..

or more important ..what does this indicate of my 'type'
yes four is great for learning of the concept
but we dont all fit the definition

i know im not one of the 4..consistantly
and often im nuthinness..so insane and nuthinness is 5 and 6

at this stage i thought new topic maybe

but ..anyhow

i recall learning about 'ball lightening'..
and think it might relate to many of our concepts

see ball lightening..is formed..
when a lightening bolt folds back on a bit of itself..forming a self sustaining loop of energy..[now this ball lightening fact..led me to the next factoid implied of that..that light is everything

yet here we are in the light..PLUS ON THE LIGHT
yes its not to topic..but this is about the same forces

anyhow matter is..[wait for it]..like ball lightening
ie when light forms a closed loop..[imagine a bead necklace/string theory

in time we will learn to release the powerr in the atom
light..oh wait we all ready did..anyhow 5 th is the self lopping energy type

and of course 'sinner's
ie the 6 th the insane

read genes acim Wink
thanks again brother
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