Religion Necessary?

[Snowbird]

Hi everyone, I'm new and I have a question.

Does one have to be religious to experience the Celestine Prophecy or the Celestine Vision? I'm not religious, more spiritual I suppose. When I first read the Celestine Prophecy I thought to myself that this came closer to any form of belief system than any organized religion.

What do y'all think, is religion necessary to practice the Celestine Vision or Prophecy?
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[zenthai]

Hi Snowbird!! Welcome to the site!!!

The message of the Celestine Prophecy and the Insights, trascends all religion. The concept/idea of syncronicity was actually brought into light by psychoanalyst Carl Jung. Every insight described in the book is experienced by people from every religious belief, any cultural/ethnic background.

Bottom line is that you don't have to be part of any specific religion (or not part at all). Spirituality is something that is bigger than any religion. In my experience is about awareness of remembering "who you want to be" in relation with the experiences that the universe presents you; living life with outmost love for everything and understanding that everything is relative to how we as humans decide to see it.

In my view, I've come to understand that experiences lived are niether good or bad, they just are... experiences. I just make sure that I look at the "silver lining" in things and always remember that while being in a state of love helps you remember who you really are and therefore you can see more clear what choice is the "right one" in relation to "who you want to be".

I hope that you enjoy your time here with us. You will find lot's of people full of awesome energy and wisdom.

Sending you love and blessings!
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[truth]

Hi Snowbird,

Welcome to the site!

I view religions as organisations that have provided comfort to people in a sometimes uncomfortable world. However, as we evolve, more people are becoming more self-aware and are finding that life's comforts are no longer enough. Every new generation brings with it more people who are also wanting to fulfil their true potential.

Whereas religions provide rules and regulations by which we're expected to live our lives, writings such as the Celestine Prophecy are different in that they enable us to question life, encouraging us to make sense of our life. Only when it makes sense can we live it to the full and we each have our own, wonderfully unique one to live!

Questions are good, 'cos that's the way we all learn - through sharing. So, please share often.

Cheers for now,
Pat

[Snowbird]

Thank you for clarifying religion for me. I had seen some references to religion and thought "ooopsie, guess I can't join this group!".

Thanks again.
Snowbird
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[Reverend Loush]

the word religion though it has been demonized by the new age movement is not a bad word. it comes from the word religio meaning to link back. and that is what we are all doing here right? linking back to source, to life, to spirit, to energy!
bb
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[one under god]

im not in any church but do see their greatest power lies in company
as a loner i see this common belief gives them comforts

however right [or wrong we may be in our beliefs
[to be right or wrong on our own holds the greatest dangers]
im not talking about material dangers but spiritual dangers
the after life is full of great people
who yet wander the after life alone by choice

the celestine prophecy for mine allows us to wonder together
however alone we may have felt previously

this site is my church[my refuge]
i think people possably need to know more about the names that frighten them [see its only their SPELL ings ,that raise their NEGATIVE conotations]

possably the next insight will reveal the spell [that divines a simple word's SPELLing to give so much PERCIEVED negativity]
look behind the curtain

RELIGIONS are the great decievers
especially when they call upon the end of the world
or decieving people to be WAITING for some reserection day
its pure insanity ans an ego based power play

you get these KNOW nothings but fear creating fear into their 'FOLLY'[fol-LOWers ],where these omnipotant decievers con their believers with lies about the after life TO GAIN ADVANTAGES in this one

its patheticlly obvious these master over humanity
playing their games

pretending authority to judge others
to create a judgmental judgemental god in their OWN im-age
having no true concept of the living loving god
they put the holy spirt into WORD
then use the word as a Sword to subdue the good of GODS world

subverting gods children and GODS creation into their vile veil of evil [by judgment and ubber holyness , by THEIR dispensations alone
[any good getting subverted by their own ego instilled by FEARS]
seeking only to own MANS honours to THEMSELVES

it is KNOWABLE by simple truths that god is love
that mans HIGHEST calling is calling ALL gods children to simp[ly LOVE god[love good]
and realise it into reality by love of neighbour as thy self
[by doing unto others as you would have be done UNTO you./

decievers only fool themselves
god dont judge
god is love live with it
c

[Reverend Loush]

i think that is true. if we understand why things frighten us most of the time in my experiance we will not be affraid anymore....perfect love casts our all fear. thanks for your imput!
bb
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[Turquoise]

The spirituality vs. religion debate is always a difficult one, I think, especially since people interpret religion in so many ways. For some it's dogma or blind belief or liturgy. For some it's the act to reconnecting to god by any means that work for them.

Personally, I don't think that Celestine is a religion. The Celestine Prophecy sums up the major spiritual concepts that underly new age thinking and in fact even "old age" thinking, as most of it is totally in line with what the old mystery religions taught - at least this is what I believe. To me, most of these things are fact, so the spirituality CP speaks of might even be called a science. The energy fields for example are there, if you believe in them or not makes no difference.
The only problem I have with CP - and this is indeed where it sounds a bit too religious to me - is when Redfield talks about the coming new age and the changes that are happening now. Personally I don't believe in the new age and I don't see anything happening with people or some "new" energy that wasn't already available hundreds of years ago.
This way of "end times" thinking sounds very Christian to me.

Awen Blessings

[Reverend Loush]

well to me it is not a mater of either or when it comes to relgion and spirituality. to me you can't have one without the other. because ultamitly your spirutality is how youperceive the universe on all levels, and your religion is how you chose to express your beliefe in the what you perceive. so to me while the celestine practices are not a religion they are religious practices. for example doing a kindness for someone is a religious excercise. it expresses what i think is going on in the universe. i know we are in the end times. but it is not the end of the world. it is mearly the end of what we have alwayas known and done. there will be no more buissness as usual. things are changing with people and society, and even global society. i see it every day. for instance here in the bible belt where i live my pagan friends are starting to build a real religious community and gain their rights. here where we live in the republican playground that likes to deny global warming there are eco-friendly things happening all the time now. people are starting to use wind and solar power. we are in the great shifting. the enrgy available to us isn't new nor does the book ever claim that it is new, it is new to some people, but the energy has always been there and every religion talks about it. and new age really means old beliefes redisdovered for a new era. but in any case in my experiance and what is happening all around me things are changing for the better. unfortunetly we as a global society are going through the birth pains of being reborn. so there is a great many natural disaters as prophesied by many native peoples called the great purification, and there is an upsurge of war and violence that we are going through only i think to find a great peace on the otherside and to realise that as a planetary people we don't have to fight amongst ourselves and we are getting tired of doing so as it leads no where. war has no winners and no victories. at least that is what i think!
bb
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[Ima Pilgrim]

Snowbird, all you have to have to experience the celestine prophecy is love, and a willingness to explore what kind of things we beings are capable of. The things that we can make happen are unbelievable!! Welcome!!

[littlebird]

Reverend Loush,

I have been thinking, JUST HOW IS IT THAT SOOO MANY CHRISTIANS ALL AROUND THE WORLD ARE SO DECEIVED??? Into believing in the doctrines of eternal torment in hell and also the rapture theory. It absolutely appals me when they tell me they are waiting for the rapture, only to sit up in heaven and watch the greatest show on earth. Meaning the tribulation. Now how can "good christians" find that so christian?
The only scripture I can come up with to explain why this may be is this;

2TH 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Is it to keep people in line that might otherwise not be able to contain/tame their actions do you think? I have a friend whose son was killed in an accident. She was very devastated and wished to commit suicide. She told me the only thing that kept her from doing that was her belief in hell, and she wouldn't go to heaven to see her son again.

So, is it possible that these false doctrines serve a purpose according to the higher plan?

I would appreciate your thoughts on this subject.

Love, littlebird
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[Kathy07]

Hi,

I am spiritual, but not religious. Because of that, "Celestine vision" and all the similar concepts are perfect to me.

And I think that organized religions are the form of manipulation for the crowd.
I do not mean to discriminate anybody because of his/her religion, this is my private opinion.

[littlebird]

Hi Kathy,

Yes, I also see that religion can be a form of manipulation, that's why I think that there HAS to be a reason for this mass affect. And I suggest a BIG reason, because it is so widespead and common. When Jesus clearly came to abolish these rules and rituals made by man, for those who have ears to hear, but also DID warn that the church would wax worse and worse.

Peace to you,
littlebird
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[truth]

I really do believe that we are on the verge of something new and special, which has nothing to do with the existence of the energy per se, rather with human realisation of its impact on life and greater awareness of how we use it bringing about untold changes in how we live our lives.

Of course I don't know that as a fact as such, and I'm open to be proven wrong, but it certainly feels that way when I live that belief.

[littlebird]

I agree Truth. It IS that most of my family is still in the Catholic church and I wonder if I will always be the "black sheep"! Well, maybe it's time to just be content with that and move forward none the less.
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