Give me that old time religion!

[Reverend Loush]

there is a phrase that all of you will by now be familiar with that to me perfectly sums up my perceptions of religion and the insights and part of me thinks that it should have been included in the movie at the end or something like a quote! there is a movie called stigmata that is based on this quote! it is taken from the gospel of thomas!



"the kingdom of God is within you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone, split a peice of wood and i am there, lift a stone and you will find me"!



this phrase has become a very important part of my life!



so along with truths i think it would be fun to list different sources for truths! i really get a lot from spiritual movies so lets list some that maybe we think would inspire people!



the passion of the Christ!

what the bleep!

saved by the light!

deffending your life!

the power of myth!

six degrees of seperation!

house of cards!



besides spiritual there are culteral and various old movies as well that teach great truths about life i think!



kama sutra a tale of love

the rabbit proffed fence

the emerald forest

auntie mame (a quote from the movie "life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death"!)

the mists of avalon





there are so many more lets try and list several of them, and lets try and add also holy scriptures from around the world, and books, and websites, anything that helps us gain insight into the human condition and our place in the spiritual universe and nature of reality! and hey lets go one step further! lets see if we can list some magazenes, catalogs, or products, or artists, that we think could really help change peoples lives! and lets keep sharing our religious truths with eachother and in this way we can gain common ground and we can grow and evolve and celebrate eachother!



star chamber water

www.reiki.org

tools for wellness

gaiaim magazene i think it is called!

www.quinlanroad.com loreena mckennit

the kabbalah

the q-link pendent



ok there is a few to start us off! so what has inspired all of you? what books or movies, or holy texts, or products, or magazenes, or artists have really helped change your lives and deffine your truths and your religions? what has helped you to evolve and come to know yourselves more fully?

bb

L
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Blessed be most excellent!

[michellepetkus]

One of my all time favorite movies is "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams.



Books, I would say there are too many to mention but ones that stand out besides CP are "Excuse Me Your Life Is Waiting" By Lynn Grabhorn and the Messages From the Masters series of books by Dr. Brian Weiss.



My biggest teacher of all has been my fellow man.



Michelle

[Reverend Loush]

this is very tue! every human wares the mask of God and he speaks on some level through every person! humanity in as much as it reflects God or doesn't reflect him is a great teacher! the essenes teach us that we are all mirrors for eachother gregg braden author of the God code explores this in another project he did, a video!



i love what dreams may come, it was truly a visually stunning movie, and art like that speaks to my heart! my favorite artist of all time was very good at exploring the hidden divinity within people! his name was waterhouse!



there are a couple of kabalah books that i want to go get! one is the practicle guide to the kabbalah, another is the 72 names of God, oh and a third is God is a verb! just reading parts of these books spoke awsome truths to me!



there is a prayer by a famous christian mystic that i want to share with yall!



Holy Spirit

giving life to all life, moving all creatures, root of all things, washing them clean, wiping out their mistakes, healing their wounds, you are our true life. luminous, wonderful, awakening the heart from its ancient sleep!



i love that one!



ok i have something else that i would like to do on here! what is everyones favorite word in the world?



i will go first to get things rolling!

my favorite word is GRACE! it is the most beautiful word to me!

bb

L
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[matt]

Hello! Well, I think my favourite phrase would be: "Thank you". But there are so many...



So anyway, thank you for this thread



love,

matt

[hollyking2099]

I do not actually post here. After reading your vemon filled posts, I actually created an account, just to reply. After reviewing the posts you have made previously (here and on your own website/forum), and considering what you have to say to all who read this (and obviously those who hear second hand).

No matter who or what you encounter, you will cling to the concept (I say concept as that is exactly what it is) that you are right and all else is rubbish. I am sorry because, no matter what is said, you will presume it is a personal attack against the concepts you hold so dear. These words are not for your benefit, as you will not actually listen. These are words of sorry expressed by someone that morns the path you follow.

The concept of 'one true path' is not a myth. It is a personal experience. It is different for everyone that walks it. It is not bound by religion or creed. To a Christian, it is through Jesus, through Buddhism, it is enlightenment, through Judaism, it is Yahweh, through 'Wicca' it is the goddess and the god, through Shinto it is the path and will of the Kami. The problem of a religion of 'one true' path is that, no matter the person, it will be different.

You will probably say something to the effect of how 'negative' I am and how evil or dark (remember good and evil are points of view) my karma is. you are right, in a sense. I am not a 'seeker'. I have found my path. I walk a path that has been paved with blood and horror. Often, it has NOT been my own. Peace is my 'one true path' and I will not shy away. It is not a belief that requires worship or praise. It is my goal to achieve peace with the nightmares I see every time I close my eyes.

The problem is, I, at least, have found what makes me whole. It has nothing to do with the nightmare that is quickly becoming reality that we call the 'real world'.

After everything is said and done, you will find what you are looking for. The question & the problem is? Is it really what you want?

Adolf Hitler was a winner of the Noble Peace prize (for bringing Germany/Deutschland out of economic disaster) and he killed countless. Will you do the same in your hunt for YOUR 'Arian race'?

May peace be with you and may you see that the truth is a point of view often written in history books by the 'winner' of a war, not by a person that actually helps where and when is needed.



-HollyKing2099

[ladyhawk2962]

I too am new here and don't post very much, but I do read many of the posts and would like to post a comment I heard the other day. I have found it to be very enlighting and had never really given it much thought before until now. "Spritialtily(?) unites us and Religion divides us." There is so much going on in the world day over one religion or the others. I wish there could be more believe in open minded thoughts, rather than everyone needs to think one way.



Love and Light.



Rebecca



"every living thing is energy, and energy never dies, it just changes forms."

[oldsoul]

[Reverend Loush]

after all this time it seems that people are still missing the point. not everyone. we were finally getting somewhere on this thread untill all the posts after matt's post! the point is not to find your path through other people! if you really understood what you had read people before you posted on here, you would see that everyone has found their own paths and are more than confident in them. the point is to find things from other peoples point of view that maybe you might use to enrich your own path, or understanding of other peoples paths! you see the posts on here as venomus but you have really missed the mark. the posts were a necessary war to get the end result of the peace that we all started finding with eachother! despite the silliness that many people speak today, i will stand in my own path and my own truth again! religion is not a bad word but rather misunderstood, and misused. i reclaim it for the good as it was originally intended! after we all got over the language barrier and learned eachothers languages we were talking just fine with out anyone coming on here to tell us how venoumous we were! if you don't won't to be part of this imporatnt discussion it is very simple, don't read it and don't post. there may be one true path but everyone finds their one true path differently and sees it differently! this thread honors that truth! yes it is a personal experiance and that is what is honored here! and you may see something as rubbish and someone else sees it as truth but that fact seems to escape you! and you may not need worship but most of us do, because in worship we come into true communion with the source of all love! and no one on here was talking about an arian race till you brought it up! although indeed i think there will be a more evolved race! the idea of an arian race means perfect race! i don't think evolution will ever end. perfection is not a destination for humans but a process of personal discovery! we will always be evolving from what we are now to something better! and personally i can't wait till the next jump in human evolution! now for some reason three of you felt the need to come on here and correct a bunch of spiritual adults who do not need to be corrected by you or anyone! so just know that for future reference!



ok i have another one that i love! the truth shall set you free! and also "you must be as shrewed as vipors and as innocent as doves"!



and matt thank you for your imput and your post, it was lovely most welcome. at least someone on here truely gets it, well most of do, but some still don't it seems!

bb

L
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[chakratom]

Indeed Reverend, and it is also useful to find your path through other people, if that's what it takes, IMO. The point is accepting everything as it is, and to do what it is that you do, whatever that may be. Live in the present and control the little movies that the mind creates, observe the mind as it makes up judgements, and whenever there is a strong desire to feel like making sure everyone understands that you are right.



What I find religion tends to do is make it clear that not all people are created as equal, like being the President of the USA, the Pope is "special". That is another ego trait, the need to feel special, when we are all equal, no-one is special, he just is as he is.



As this Paradigm Shift takes place, now, a new religion emerges, the individual as a part of the whole. Just as every cell in the tree makes up the tree, so does every sell in my body, and as the body becomes fully aware of itself, it is now, in the present, and the universe will do the same.



Infinite Love and Infinite Truth.



Blessings



Tom
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[hollyking2099]

I should have probably qualified my statement. In 'personal terms' Arian race = personal agenda that, for the person is good & for the rest of humanity is probably VERY bad. This is due to my 'extreme example' of people trying to state that, not only is a belief is wrong, but a deadly offence. This was also in responce the the many posts by wizanda, who seems more interested in converting others and attacking then in actually truely desrcibing religion on a abstract.

Seriously, I come from a very dark life. My past has aged me beyond my 'age group'. Sorry if I stomp on toes with my statements because of it.

I agree that we, as humans, tend to see our way is the 'right way', but this is an Illusion. No path, no matter, is truely right or wrong, it is the path that it is 'right or wrong for you' that you must listen to. This is because, although you may listen to others (this often allows for 'fool proofing' methods of worship, what ever they may be, & making sure they are at least legal), it is YOUR heart that decides if it is the 'right path' for you. This can be any belief, in my experience (I have to Wiccians, a Druid, and a Buddhist in the family, helps open the mind, you know), as long as your heart says it is, it is. Religion is nothing more the the expression of your belief and worship. This is not evil or violent, it just is. Like so many other things, it is the intent that colors it.

Tell you what. You find ten people in ANY religion, as long as they are of the same one. Ask them to describe Paradise. One of two may agree, but even those that agree will describe it differently. The reason is that every one has a life that colors the prospective they view from. Well, once again, I have said my two cents. If this keeps up, I may actually use this account for more then lurking.

Have a good night and remember, be it Buddhist, Norse, Greek, Mayan, Shinto, Jew, Christian, etc., everyone is still a person who has the same basic materials. What we DO with that is what makes us human.

-Hollyking2099

[michellepetkus]

Hello Holly,



I saw that your post had Wizanda in the subject so I figured your comments were in regards to his posts. I agree that he is a little inflexible in his thinking which has caused him to miss the main point of his onesness message. Unfortunately, until he realizes this he will continue to get stuck in his own ego wondering why people challenge him so much. Your message was well put and is in the spirit of oneness. I do hope you decide to post more often. Your views, thoughts, and opinions, as are eveyone elses, are valid and worthwile. It is the point of this site because even through the disagreements it is an opportunity for all of us to maybe learn a little bit more about ourselves and life.



Sincerely,

Michelle

[Reverend Loush]

well chakratom i just can not agree with you on religion makeing people unequal! maybe this has been your experiance but my experiance is that it is people trying to use religion to make others less than them! i unlike you do not blame religion i blame people for their own bad behavior! however i agree with almost everything else you said! i think that indeed it is whatever works best for you! but i have a very different idea of ego than every one else does! everyone that i know in the world looks at the ego as a bad thing! i do not! to me everyone veiws ego and arrogance as the same thing and i do not! to me the ego is your identity, your personality, the mask that your soul wares to express who and what you are! i think the problem arises when people get so caught up in the mask that they forget they have an even higher self expression! i do not see a new religion emerging, but rather a new perspective of spirituality and all religions! but maybe you are right and it can be said a new religion is emerging! maybe if we consider what relgion is than i can see more clearly what you mean! if religion is our relationship to God, our connection back to source, well maybe it is rightly said that a new relationship with the divine is emerging. but i see it more as an evolution of our current relationship, just as our current relationship is an evolution of our past one!? thanks for your imput!



thank you hollyking for clearing up my understanding of your post! by the way i love that name! i understand what you mean about your past ageing you beyond your years and age group! for me it is the same! i don't see that everyone having their own truth is an illusion though! i see it as apart of the ultamite truth! the truth tells me that for every single soul that exits there is a personal truth that it holds! i think it is more rightly said that if i were to try and hold your truth instead of mine that it would be an illusion! though i think everyones truth can help enhance my own in some way! i have always known this as apart of my truth! as a christian learning all about different cultures and religions from a very very young age, i found that other peoples perspectives help better deffine my own and enrich it! it also better confirmed for me my own faith and maybe not just confirm it but liberate it in a way! i am a christian but my perspective of my religion is very different than most peoples on the planet! i think that if you take five people of any religion and ask them to deffine or qualify something then you will get five different answers! to me this is rightly so! so i enjoyed that insight from you, and i agree wholeheartedly that we are in our most basic sense human and are made of the same stuff! i think this is the key to all humans find common ground! because we are all human! not everyone is a man, not everyone a woman, not everyone is of the same skin color or heritage or religion or nation, but we are all human! that is part of our ultamite common ground! thank you for your inisght here! and you are right, that the whole point behind the quality of anyones religion is intent! intent colors life itself and how we live it and who we are!



and i also want to thank you michelle for truly getting the mesage and my intent, and for always bringing posative love and light to any issue! thank you! i think that this site is not only allowing us to explore eachothers differences and simularities, but through the "argueing" i think we have broken down a lot of walls and a healing has been released out into the world, so that like God we can meet eachother where we are in life! we can celebrate the common ground and accept the uncommon ground! this is good medicine! this is the point of the whole topic! so thanks for being part of it and the healing that i feel has begun to take place! i never thought that i would get quit this much out of this thread, but i am taking more than i ever knew i could from this discourse!

bb

L
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Rev. Loush O'Raven

Blessed be most excellent!

[rishi]

Rev. said;



"well chakratom i just can not agree with you on religion makeing people unequal! maybe this has been your experiance but my experiance is that it is people trying to use religion to make others less than them! i unlike you do not blame religion i blame people for their own bad behavior! "



Of course religion makes people unequal, it has been the cause of more wars than any other force in history. It has also been the cause of more suffering and institutionalized ignorance than any other social factor.



Just look at the attitude of mainstream christianity for instance. Without even addressing the Dark Ages, (1000 years of imposed stagnation on the mind of man by the church) their doctrine is this..."Only YOU , (the chrisitian) is "saved" and everybody else is a heathen who needs salvation, or, if they wont turn, destruction. The Conquistadores in south america were experts at this philosophy...'swear allegiance to christ or I'll take your head off with this sword, and put the REST of your family in bondage!" Every religion thinks it is the only way, and that in fact is why they exist....they're just groups of close-minded people who can't see the truth for the religion, (forest for the trees).



Get real, Rev. and learn from the many examples of history, even if you learn nothing from the modern day.
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The Intent of the Master is the mastery of intent



Founder of the World Mind Society http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest

[chakratom]

Thanks for saying what I was going to Rishi,



and having said that, I understand both sides of the coin, mostly I was referring to the "Lord" Jesus the Christ, with the title of King. The king is the top, no? So, other people must be under the king, same goes for the Spanish Inquisition...



Also Rev, I don't hate religion, I just feel that many people hide behind a cover of it.



Plus, anything that makes one to feel guilty rather than to understand is not my idea of open-minded and something that makes us all equal. Rather it seems to make some feel less than they are because of a bad decision.



What the world needs, IMO, is for every person to have a guide to help them make better choices, and sometimes religion works, sometimes it hinders. After a full generation has been given the keys, then the parents they will be will make the guidance for their children better.



If anything, poor parenting and conflict are things that come out of most religions that are popular in western "culture"
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[sister goshe]

interesting that you, chakratom, see religion as a cover... in some ways I think of my religion as a cover...



I have made horrible choices in my past and

since I have found forgiveness, that past is covered up and "remembered no more"



my past is still and always will be part of my "one path",

but what I am ashamed of does not have to be transparent for all to see.



Instead, I focus on when I chose to accept forgiveness and that I have made bad choices 'generally', that I am a sinner.



Of course if someone needs to be warned specifically about something I have experience in, so that they might chose to learn from my mistakes, I will get into details.



I think there are enough trials that come to each of us, that strengthen our character and bless our lives, that we do not have to go breaking commandments for experience sake. Does this make sense to you all?



Also, I believe that all people will continue to be taught in the afterlife. People of all religions and ways of life will have the choice to go to the highest heaven and that those who turn away from bad choices- we all make them- instead of perpetually choosing things that stop thier spiritual evolution, will find happiness.



Practice is the key.



Finally, I understand why so many people who are not religious think of religion as something negative. I thought that way too once.



It is sad, but just as in non-religious circles, many religious people have not experienced an awakening. Many religious and non-religious people walk without having their eyes open. Unfortunately religious "blind guides" seem to be more of a hypocracy than non-religious "blind guides" thus giving religion a bad reputation. And perhaps to some degree rightfully so, but there is a right time of awakening for everyone- religious or not.



It is important to remember that just as there are adepts who are non-religious, there are in fact adepts who are religious as well. I would even argue that adepts who are non-religious have probably studied religious adepts and have found at least parts of their ways of thinking to be in agreement, yet chose to stand alone instead of becoming one of a fellowship. Has anyone experienced this? Do you agree? Disagree? I'm curious... its a new theory for me...



I also think that God blesses those who seek for Him! I try to learn everything I can from other people's experiences. Of course I contemplate them in the context of my own path, but I certainly don't shut myself out. I hope no one else does- aren't we here to help eachother?



Peace and Love,
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