Physical Reactions

turnygirl · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Ontario, Canada

I am interested in any input about physical reactions to problems. I have recently had an arguement with someone and was not able to fix it. Mentally I am okay with the fact that we don't see eye to eye and that our relationship has ended for now. Physically I feel like my body is reacting to the situation the way it usually does, loss of appetite and feeling tired and dranined. Is this just my ego over riding my body?

I know that today in my mind I can handle not getting my point across, but in the past this type of situation would normally leave me feeling angry and unsure of myself. Now that this is no longer the case how can I get my body in sync with my mind/spirit?

michellepetkus · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 809 Location: Chicago, IL

Hi Jeanette,

This is something all of us go through. For growth to occur the first step is to observe and acknowledge that there is a problem. Then we have to search within ourselves for the understandings that will get us past the problem. Then finally we have to figure out how to integrate those understandings into our daily lives. This is where you are at. The problem is though you have achieved the intellectual and probably spiritual understandings you are still reacting from old habits and thought patterns that you have been carrying with you for lifetimes. So now you are back to the observation mode. When the difficult situations occur try to take a step back and watch how you are reacting. Then remember to yourself that you no longer need to react that way. This will surprisingly lessen the intensity of the reaction. Through practice over time you will find that your old patterns of reaction will start to fade away. The key though is to really try to separate who you are from the events that are unfolding in front of you. Whatever someone says or does has nothing to do with you. It is all them and their issues. I know you understand this but if you are getting drained during an encounter it means you are still allowing their negativity to affect your well being. So basically just refuse to let their negative energy creep into your system by essentially becoming objective about the situation. This will start the process of reprogramming your brain from reacting emotionally to reacting intellectually from choice and free will. Self awareness is a huge step in this process. Since you have it and are aware of how badly you feel after such a negative encounter you are well on your way to getting the answers you need to help you get past your negative reactions. You just need a little practice.

Michelle

ceinvests · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject:

Oh, and adding a bit more...

**Allow yourself to be around more Joy after an experience like that. Take in the 'refueling' energy from around you. Go where the joy is. I just read something powerful about the knowledge that joy and pure joy has a very high vibration. I know that at some level, but have lived in a family legacy that joyful energy is selfish, almost 'evil'. Now I feel it is an expression of God..the quiet joy, the noisy joy, the 'knowing' joy, the childlike joy, all are good things. Even the clean, clear joy in true acceptance of sadness are clearing and healthy vibrations. Be around it.

**Stand in your truth. You are truly less happy that it resulted the way it did. Stand in that. Create a physical and mental ritual to give the experience and/or results to the Universe as it is. That lets you accept, let go, heal, move into your next moment of life mind, body, and soul.

I am going to follow my own ideas here and do both of these from here on.

turnygirl · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Ontario, Canada

Thanks for the great words of wisdom. Michelle, I have recently been listening to some audio books that suggest observing the situation and being the observer of my feelings about the situation. It has helped so much. Surrounding myself with the things I enjoy doing has helped a lot too. Very Happy

chakratom · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Hi Turnygirl,

I just got a few audiobooks by Eckhart Tolle, that helped me understand the role of the ego, being present, and realizing that joy is a constant until the ego takes on a new personality weith everything that crosses your path, be it anger, fear, loss, grief, etc...

I highly recommend "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
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lite · Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 8

Although help is found in many places, take great care when seeking it on the internet, even in forums lightly moderated ESPECIALLY among people of spiritual interests.

There are people regularly posting on this forum and so many like it, that volunteer ideas and pretend to have common interests.

If you find yourself approached no matter how meekly, with gentle comments or innocent exchanges, do not confide hopes and dreams, nor engage in long communication with ANYONE no matter how many people seem to urge you to do so. "Chakratom' and several others here, will change their names and progressively create false dramas over weeks or years, in order to lure your attention with the ultimate goal of convincing you to trust them and join in any kind of personal or business relationship. This only works if you find yourself searching, lonely, and vulnerable. MANY PEOPLE ARE, this is a common state of feeling. Posting your deepest concerns by way of forums, combined with staying open and willing to seriously entertain all answers, sets you up. Thinking you are strong enough and smart enough to "see a con" is the way people end up over a long period of time allowing the preditor to keep in contact with you. He likes you to tell him off, and then appraoches you with another name online shifting his personality and urging you subtly to continue to talk about what you told the "other guy" off about.

Dont take suggestions of 'how' to spot the con from the con.

Don't believe anything anyone says online unless you see their photo ID and run that ID through criminal background checks in New Mexico (Hobbs), Texas, California, Oregon, Washington, and your own state. If you are not willing to put the effort into knowing and meeting IN PERSON business references, family, and doing the investigation, you could be risking your life. If you are online looking for help or insight, you already exhibit a niavity that is used to do great harm. It feels so safe to seek alittle help online, but you have no idea the level of deciet some of the most interesting and mysterious online volunteer therapists are capable of. Sometimes they start the topic to see how much you will say about your self, sometimes they will suggest the most amazing book. They appear to have amazing backgrounds- just the type you always wondered about. What a coincidence. There are a few everyday personalties that seem just like you, looking to chat. Another coincidence.

It was very strange, I had the thought to look for Mr. Redfields web page after so many years, and the day I looked, was the day the movie happened to open. I thought "wow- what timing", and then I started reading and seeing the excitement in many people's new posts. Right away, I saw the preditors I recognized, currently under investigation, chiming in, the exact ways and patterns used with me. Im here because I recognized my past innocence in many posts here, and I recognize the preditors' patterns. Back when I was so trusting, I had wished for the truth. I now love even more, trust even stronger, but only those folks who's surrounding life and friends demonstrate who they are. You may be here innocently, but very few offering help are.

I am offering the truth, what I wished for back then. And you will never get an email or an invitation to be my friend, not even years from now. MAKE YOUR FRIENDS and SEEK HELP in PERSON, ALL OF YOUR PERSON- Body, mind spirit.... Hiding online and exhibiting a fear of living your concerns, only partially participating in your existance, INVITES A PERSON TO PREY ON YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE.

chakratom · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:20 am Post subject:

Strange post^^^

I just want to recommend something that helps me right now, a simple book, much like the Celestine Prophecy, except it is not a story.

Not sure why you want to prey upon me, sounds like we may have met in another forum and disagreed upon something.

Alas, I don't have the answers, but I am trying to feel like I should, which is peaceful.

Good luck on the search, I am still in a process, and yes, in person is the best way, but technology now makes it easier to sift through and find something you may need to find...

My name is Tom, but I chose ChakraTom as it is my alter-ego, and my online persona that reminds me what is important to me.

Namaste
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michellepetkus · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 809 Location: Chicago, IL

Dear Lite,

I just have to say before you go singling out someone it would be prudent to have absolute proof that what you accuse them of is actual fact and not a case of mistaken identity. Though your advice is wise, accusing an innocent person of wrongdoing can have a detrimental impact on how that person is perceived by others. Simply stating your point without mentioning names would have sufficed in getting your point across, especially if you were only using the name as an example. That being said, I agree with you that you should never take anything anyone offers you at face value. I would even go so far as to suggest never giving away your life savings to family members and those you have known for years. There are no get rich quick schemes. I also emphatically agree that you should take every precaution possible before ever agreeing to meet someone you met online, especially if it is in a nongroup setting. But I have to disagree that you can?t or shouldn?t form friendships with those you meet on line. Yes there are predators out there but, as in all walks of life, the percentage of bad apples with bad intentions is far less then those who intentions are in the right place. To assume that everyone you meet is out to con you is to live a very cynical life. Many of those who come to this site, and others like it, are drawn to it because they share a common interest but they do not have people in their immediate life who are open or interested in talking about the issues that are discussed on the site. I also have to say it?s kind of fun to think you may actually be connecting with someone half way around the world. Whether they are or not it still gives one the sense that this place isn?t so big after all. That there are people from all corners of the globe who see the world as you do. Who understand where you are coming from and are not going to judge you for it.

The bottom line is there are not guarantees in life. Someone may very well come along one day and try to rip you off or hurt you emotionally or physically. You cannot completely protect yourself from the dangers of the world. But you can listen to your heart. Pay attention to your internal alarm system. If anything or anyone makes you feel uncomfortable or gives you that uneasy feeling then reassess the situation. Your higher self may be trying to tell you that it may not be in your best interest to pursue it further and thus you should walk away. So overall very sage advice but maybe a little limiting in being truly open to all the online world has to offer.

Sincerely,

Michelle

PS: Tom, I have to say you handled yourself very maturely. Good for you.

chakratom · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:56 am Post subject:

Thank you again, Michelle!

I must say I took that post more positive than I usually would in the past, considering I have been on 4 forums lately, one I have a whopping 1600 posts, it has several thousand members, only a few have reacted this way, but it has been on all of them!

So I thought to myself, maybe there is something I should take from all them, that I am being to open, and could be perceived by others in a negative way, but alas! I don't really need to concern myself with what others think of me! I believe that is one of the insights, and a line from the movie trailer (I still have yet to see the movie) has the main character and the lady friend talking in a cafe or restaurant, and she says it's easy to lose yourself around some people. He asks her if she feels like she is losing herself, she replies "I was talking about you."

That is the best advice I have heard in a long time, so Turnygirl, in response to your query, if you feel like you are losing yourself in an argument, you probably are, and if I understand this insight correctly, then best to not become emotionally engaged and you will find the peace and stillness that comes with it.

I feel great at the moment! But it is me that makes me feel great or bad, and no-one else...

Namaste

Tom
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lite · Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 8

Those who are truely honest do not have wingpeople, defenses, and drama. Those who are innocently participating do not attend to energies from various angles to attempt to induce support, while running distraction alongside.

This may be a peaceful place to seek common ground, but my warning stands. DO NOT entertain friendships from mysterious intriguing strangers from this or any spiritual places or meetings, unless you all lay your eyes on identification, family and employment backgrounds that are solid and supported in person, live. If you happen to see this post 3 months from now or even a year, and some guy or gal had typed up or talked up a wicked storm of stories and intrigue, bringing you into their lives in whatever way most lures you, even sends you digital images of what looks like it could be valid ID, DO NOT INVEST YOUR TIME OR ENERGY UNLESS you have begun a relationship in person in a way that allows you to check that IDs or business lisensure are valid, (the preditor who stalked me creates false documents), his or her business allows you to intervue references in person, and the aquaintences, friends and family described actually exist in the places and ways you have been told.

michellepetkus · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 809 Location: Chicago, IL

Wow, I don't know what to say. If he is who you say then he is not too bright using the same tactics. I am truly sorry for what you went through. And I 100% agree that everyone should take caution with those they meet online especially when it comes to meeting them in person. This is very sage advice and may very well save someone a painful experience.

Michelle

oldsoul · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 46