Afterlife and the 10th insight I am confussed

Theressa · Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 793 Location: UK

Hi All,

I was wondering what you all think about the fact that the 10th Insight says that the afterlife is what we expect it to be. So if we are negative it will be negative or if we are positive it will be positive. Have I interpreted this right. It does worry me that for those who don't get it, will they be trapped in a terrible place, experiencing terrible things?

Can anyone shed some light on this? I was okay with dying but now I am not so sure.

Blessings

Theressa

Leila · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Stratham, NH

I read the book too long ago to comment. I do know we create our reality. On the other side we more than here create with our thoughts and can think ourselves in a different place etc. Maybe that is what they mean. Not that it is like a hell if there is something we don't believe in here, but more like. " I think I'll connect with my son on earth today, whoosh and be there, or I'll go in the library and review my life in the GREAT books" That's my thought. Leila
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matt · Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Dublin, Ireland

Hi there T, I wouldn't fret about the perception of the "afterlife", because in many ways it's like moving to a different country, that's all. So if someone believes that it will be "a land of opportunity" then they will enjoy their new life there. However, if they take all of their woes along with them, then they will find them there also.

One of the key things here is that the tiny fraction of our soul-self that we experience on the Earth as our "complete consciousness" can't magically return to the full-bodied soul-self except by raising its energetic awareness. This process is a choice of the soul and something we "know all about" on other levels of awareness. However, at our present level it's quite a test - which is one part of why we do all of this - so when we physically end our tenure here, we do raise in vibration but that is largely dictated by what we have achieved in the physical. I'm not talking about philosophic achievements, healing achievements or monetary and building achievements though. I'm just talking about achieving simplicity.

The more complex our lives are or were, the greater our "reward" for achieving simplicity becomes. It is the quality of our actions that mean everything. Our quality defines our vibration. We can give all of our wealth and possessions away for an entire lifetime but if our heart isn't in it, we gain not one thing. Conversely, we can retain everything yet in our heart of hearts renounce it all and become truly and wholeheartedly simple. But that's just one aspect - there's simplicity in our dealings with others... are we out to make a fast buck? Do we ensure fairness? Do we lash out when others take advantage of us despite all we have offered them? There is the real road before us. If we can resolve these things and others, then what awaits us when we leave here will have great foundations indeed. If the foundations are suspect, then soon we will return to the Earth to build them anew. So there we go then; the Earth is a building site for the soul and before we can enjoy our towers we have to prepare the ground before them.

love, Matt

arlilly · Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Seattle, WA

I was very disappointed to have missed the many previews of this film that took place in the Seattle area. It was a bit strange. . .on April 11 for the first time ever, I attended a meeting at the Unity Church in Kent. I'd NEVER been to that church before, and (unfortunately) on the 11th there were no signs promoting the preview. Only today (4/14) I discovered that the preview was on the 13th at that location! I think I'll follow this 'lead' and visit that church this Sunday and see what happens. This is surely more than a coincidence!

It's also interesting that I'll be in Minneapolis next week when the film Premier's in Seattle on 4/21. Wonder why this film is so illusive for me? Perhaps the message is that I must remember that Truth is within me--I don't need a film or a book to show me the way. Nonetheless, I intend to get to the theater as soon as I return from Minneapolis (which won't have a premier until May 24!). Thank you, James Redfield. You have made this planet just a little more peaceful and a little more loving.

michellepetkus · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 809 Location: Chicago, IL

Hi Theressa,

I wouldn?t worry too much about where you personally are going when you die. If you have made it to this site then chances are pretty good that you have enough spiritual enlightenment to know when the end is here you are free to go through the light. But I do believe there is some merit to the theory that some people become stuck somewhere in between this world and the next. They are called ghosts. James talked about it a little in his book and there is also a very good movie, ?What Dreams May Come? with Robin Williams that also broaches this subject. Dieing is basically just a transition from physical form to spirit form. This transition is complete when you go through the light and join the other spirit beings by becoming aware of your spirit form. Sometimes, though, when people die tragically or suddenly they may not realize that they are actually dead. They?re actually in the same place as the other spirits but they think they are still physical and refuse to acknowledge that they are dead. The spirits on the other side try to coax them out of their confusion but a few may resist because they are not ready to give up what was their life. So a scenario plays out over and over again having to do with the reason they are stuck. It is probably a safety net device in that through repetition the soul may at one point realize that what they are experiencing isn?t really life as they knew it. They will hopefully catch on and finally let go. The thing to realize is that hell is not a place that you are sent to by some other force judging you as bad. Any hell, whether that be hell on earth or hell in the afterlife, is just a soul trapped in a self-induced negative state of mind. And not to pull any punches but yes, this is a choice that people make. It isn?t something that just happens to you. These souls don?t want to let go of their hell. To them this place they are at is better than what may lay ahead of them. They may enjoy being sad or angry. Some may be fearful of dying because of some wrong they committed while alive. Some may be angry or resentful about how or when they died. Some may not feel worthy of the love from the spirit world. And some may be so deep into sadness that they can?t believe they can be or should be happy. So the bottom line is if you want to guarantee a transition into heaven learn to let go of your fears and negativity because when you are in a positive state of mind your soul will gravitate to the love that is through the light. But even if you are not perfect, I promise you, you will still transition without incidence. I truly believe the souls that are stuck in their own personal hells are extreme cases and are more the exception than the rule. And hopefully when we as a group of souls get ready to move on from this place all of us together will be strong enough to pull these lost souls back into the light with us. I would think we really couldn?t totally move on without them anyway. At least that?s my theory on the subject.

Sincerely,

Michelle

eggnostic · Guest

Hello everyone.

I never got past the first book, so I was not aware of what the "10th insight" was. After Theressa's post though, I couldn't help but laugh. Mr. Redfield, good soul that he is, appears to be confused as well.

Please allow me to part these waves of confusion, for a short moment:

When your BODY dies, your EGO dies.

Without an ego, there are no "good" experiences and no "bad" ones. Good and bad is what we get when emotion is experienced through the ego. After you are dead, there will no longer be a "you" to speak of. The thing that creates the illusion of "you" will be gone.

So rest easy Theresa, you are neither going to heaven nor hell, because such things are irrelevant when you are dead.

Still confused? Stop reading Redfield's books for a little while. Then take a field trip to the local mortuary. Be sure to speak to a corpse or two, maybe they can help you clear things up.

Leila · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Stratham, NH

We could talk to a corpse, the spirit can be anyplace. I'd make it easier and talk to your loved ones from wherever you are. Love, Leila
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eggnostic · Guest

Leila,

Are you... threatening me?

Leila · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Stratham, NH

No, I am scaring you. (:- )
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eggnostic · Guest

Words alone dont scare me:) I have never seen, heard, or felt someone making contact with the dead. And since the idea is completely absurd to me, I am not willing to take anyone solely on their word that this is possible.

I am open minded though in the sense that I would not turn down someones offer to watch this being done. However, having the hairs stand up on my arm is not good enough to convince me that someones invisible friend is actually real.

If anyone were ever able to demonstrate to my satisfaction that the idea of a ghost in the machine is not absolute bullsh*t, then that would surely turn my world upside down, which would be very exciting, indeed. Theres nothing more spectacular than an absolutely profound paradigm shift that changes your life forever. But ive only had one of those, and it did not involve spirits, ghosts, or transcendental entities that do not exist in the universe but are somehow able to communicate with people in the universe. There is nothing outside of the universe because the universe is all there is. The universe is like a machine, blindly existing, its contents all blind cogs in this machine. The thing that makes life magical, spiritual, and full of meaning is nothing more than our subjective experience of being alive, combined with the fact that all events are predetermined, thus a sense of fate.

Aside from all the talk ive heard about spirits though, no one has ever even offered to prove that claim to me. EVER. Ive asked and been refused, either because "i dont believe" or because "it would be too frightening" - so I have to conclude at this time that these people are doing nothing more than building sculptures from horse sh*t. All that ive ever seen or heard were empty words, and empty words are worthless to me.

Its a simple values judgement.

Most people do not realize this but we value feeling good much more than we value anything else, including the truth. We all unconsciously make choices that will move us towards the "positive" end of the spectrum, that make us feel good. Everything that follows is frivolous rationalization. If we can take an illusion that makes us feel good and convince ourselves that its the truth, then that is good enough. Not a bad choice, actually, but it just takes so much energy to mantain these illusions. Anyways that is samsara. We are all living in it. Enlightenment never promised anything more than a new pair of glasses.

By the way, I am an "indigo child" - "highly sensitive person" also - I just happen to have a brain in addition to a gut. Im not here to throw stones at people, im here to advocate a much better balance between intuition and the prefrontal cortex.

ronni · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 16

Who knows for sure except each one of us, individually. We each have our own unique belief system. It sounds odd to others to discuss the words of John Edwards, James Van Praugh, Sylvia Brown with others that don't value their gifts.

Leila · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Stratham, NH

You are right Ronni, we all have our own experiences. I am happy i have experienced things thru dreams, prayer, energy changes in the house etc. I love being open to messages. It is so confirming we are all connected.

Synchronicity comes from someplace. We teach our patients, there is no coincidence. Leila
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eggnostic · Guest

Your dogma is no match for my catma. Wke up. Stop talking and start practicing. There are ways to prove what I am saying to yourselves.

Leila · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Stratham, NH

I have ways to prove also, if you are not open, why should I waste my energy and disrupt you. I don't think you are awake, you don't think I am awake, we are even, neat thought. love, leila
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michellepetkus · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 809 Location: Chicago, IL

Eggnostic,

Interesting. You say you are a "highly sensitive person" My perception of you is that you are more inclined to look at life from the scientific angle. Life is just energy and nothing more. There is no purpose or soul definition beyond our existence here. You are logical to a fault and there is nothing wrong with that. But my perception of sensitives is that they are people who are in connection/contact, in one way shape or form, with those on the other side. Those who have an awareness of that which cannot be explained through science. So what sort of sensitivities do you have?

Michelle