Masonic Symbolism in the movie?

[Darin Hamel]

I joined the Masons awhile back and maybe I am seeing things that aren't there..... but has anyone else noticed any Masonic easter eggs in The Celestine Prophecy movie? I'd tell you what I have found but I dont want to lead this conversation anywhere except what other people see. Is James Redfield a Mason?

[itsup2me]

About your remark: "I joined the Masons awhile back and maybe I am seeing things that aren't there..... but has anyone else noticed any Masonic easter eggs in The Celestine Prophecy movie?"

Masonic Easter Eggs?? Would you care to explain what is that? and yes I know that Mason's are not allowed to 'discuss' anything outside their meetings, my father was a Mason teacher so I would ask him, except he's dead now, but I'm sure he would have at least tell me either 'that is bull sh%t, or yes that is true but I cannot tell you'. So at least tell me that you're for real!! and if not just don't bother answering.
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[Darin Hamel]

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[moonriver0202]

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for sharing the link. I've been quite interested in finding more about masonic symbols.
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[Rainmaker]

Interesting post, Darin. I must watch the movie again and see if I notice any of the correlations that you have seen. The CP book seems to touch on many religions, rites, groups, etc. I think that is why I was drawn to it, it was so encompassing of all. Whether this was the author's purpose or not, I am not sure. I was wondering if you have read Dan Brown's new novel. I found it interesting that the subjects were the Mason's and alot about Noetic science as well. Was wondering if he too read CP and used some of it for inspiration.

[SL]

Thanks for the link Darin. I took some tai chi classes in Germany a long time ago and have never done it again, mainly because I couldn't remember the movements. I was just thinking bout that the other day and there is your video of the basic movement set.

I really do enjoy synchronicity.

[Scots_Nomad]

I know that this thread has been ‘dead’ for a while, but I had never actually read it or even noticed it until Kelly mentioned it in passing in one of her (?) posts today (11.05.10).

Anyway, the first thing to say is that I for one never noticed any Masonic symbolism in the movie, however that doesn’t really mean much as (as I explain below) am not a Freemason and have (had) very little knowledge of Masonic rituals and symbolism, but the reason I am writing here is that it was only after I had completed my third book about my contact with ‘my friends’ that I came to realise just how much Masonic symbolism there was in my own work!

Before I go on to explain and expand upon that a bit (or maybe a lot) more, I gotta confess that I had never heard of ‘masonic eggs’ until I read this post and had no idea that eggs were in any way symbolic to Freemasonary, however they are and always have been symbolic to me in relation to my story, and my house in Vietnam is loaded with all kinds of eggs from carved crystal and stone ones, antique porcelain ones and painted real ones. They all mean something to me (read general explanation below) and relate to a particular part of my story but I had no idea there was any Masonic link there, however this is by no means the first nor tenth nor even the fiftieth times I have made such a discovery!

Now, to try to explain that I’ve got to start by explaining where all ‘my’ symbols fit in for me, and maybe the best way to do that is to post an extract from a post I made in another forum a long time ago in response to a query that had been raised about whether or not my friends continued to communicate with me:

"...Maybe the fact that I refer to the first contact discussions two years ago is what confused you, and gave you the impression that the communication stopped when the ’chats’ did, however that was not the case. After ’First Contact’ we spoke ’openly’ and verbally for many hours a day for a period of about 3 weeks, however much of that time was spent ’Learning how to learn’, and one of the first series of lessons was all about ’non-verbal communications’ - I was enthralled by what they had to say, however if all I did was spend the rest of my life listening to them tell me things that I didn’t know and then passing on their words/messages I wouldn’t really have true quality of life of my own - If I wanted to be a postal worker I would buy myself a gun! <!;->

One of the new ways of communicating was telepathy (which is the freakiest feeling at first), but there are numerous other ways that they can leave messages for me in a ’non-linear’ and ’non-static’ sign language - i.e. The language consists of a developing number of images/symbols which all remind me of specific parts of my previous conversations, however any particular ’symbol’ can have many different meanings because it is not just the symbol itself that matters, but also ’everything else about it’ such as: where it is; what colour it is; what it’s made of; what is next to it (there are now so many symbols that one symbol on it’s own will not really catch my eye. There have to be either a combination of a number of symbols, a grouping of the same symbol, or the symbol must crop up in somewhere that I wouldn’t expect it); what their relative positions are and what their relative sizes are, etcetera, etcetera! It is complicated, but it is also an amazingly logical way of packing loads of information into what seems so simple at first glance.”

OK, to explain how and where the ‘masonic’ side of it tied in I gotta post another extract from later in that forum discussion:

Earlier this year, while I was busy doing nothing I saw something on TV that caught my eye – I was watching some antiques program or other and an object came up that had a familiar symbol on it: three squares set on each side of a right-angled triangle. I recognised the symbol straight away as being the representation of Pythagoras Theorem, however the expert on TV referred to it as a Masonic symbol called ‘The 47th Problem of Euclid’.
Now, the symbol itself would have got my attention a little, as the Proof of Pythagoras theorem was something that had cropped up during my first contact chats – to me that has always been not only a work of art but a masterpiece and a thing of beauty to rival any painting or sculpture ever produced, and that was something I had discussed with my friends. My friends and I had also discussed Fermat’s Last Theorem (or more specifically Fermat’s Proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem – Fermat’s Theory having been proved correct by Andrew Wiles a few years ago but patently not in the way Fermat originally saw it), and my friends had shown me that Fermat actually solved the proof ‘simply’ by using a combination of Pythagoras and ‘non-Euclidian geometry’ (i.e. the geometry of triangle drawn on the surface of spheres). Now, as far as I knew, I was the only person on Earth who knew Fermat’s solution to Fermat’s Last Theorem, so I was very surprised when the name Euclid came up in connection with that diagram, and my attention became extremely gripped.

Now despite being born and raised in Scotland, which is apparently a bit of a hot spot for Freemasonry considering how small a country it is, I had little knowledge, contact nor interest with Freemasonry nor its symbolism up until that point – the only symbol that I would have immediately have been aware of as being Masonic would be the compass and set-square (both of which I am well familiar with having trained as a surveyor), however the symbol on my TV had grabbed my attention so much that I decided to look on line to see what other Masonic symbols there were. I typed ‘Masonic symbols’ into Yahoo search and the first site I was led to was:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/blmasonicsymbols.htm

The first page that open contained images of about 18 Masonic symbols (17 of which I had no idea were Masonic such as beehives, lighthouse, scull etc etc etc), but what really amazed me was that every symbol on the page was ‘written in the same language’ that my friends use with me!!! Every single symbol on the page was either exactly the same as one of the symbols that ‘meant something between my friends and me’ or it was made up from a combination of two or more of ‘my symbols’ (E.g. from rose and the cross were combined to make The Rose Cross, the sunburst and the big eye were combined to make a symbol they called Cancellarius, etc etc).

That newly discovered link got me thinking, and as I looked at photos from my house I could see numerous similarities between not only the things in my house, but also the way that those things had been meticulously lain out (by myself but with a great deal of input from my friends) – Just as one example, the two strange black obelisk-type pillars which my friends insisted that I place at either side of my main entrance door which my friends were particularly fussy about the positioning of suddenly made sense – kind of a!

I wish I could put a photo here to illustrate things better but just for now I will briefly explain that they (i.e. the pillars) could be as far apart as I wanted and as far back from the door as I wanted so long as they were PRECISELY square to the wall and EXACTLY in line with each other! If I happened to bump one of them even a few millimeters out of position while sweeping my floor or doing something in my hall my friends would insist that I stop what I was doing immediately and put the pillar back into its precise position! NB: The day I ‘made’ the pillars and put them where my friends suggested (i.e. EXACTLY where my friends suggested) I didn’t really see the point in it all – they looked OK where they were but they seemed completely pointless and unnecessary to me so I asked my friends what they were for:

“They’re for security.”
”Security??? What the f**k are they going to do to protect anything?...And I thought you said that YOU would protect this place and that I didn’t have to worry about anything?”
“We didn’t say they were for protection, we said they were for security.”
“OK, so how are they going to make me or this place any more secure?”
“They’re not, but they’re not for you.”
”So who are they for.”
”For some of your future guests.”
”So how are they going to make my guests secure then?”
“They’re not, but some of the guests that you have here in future will see those standing there and they will immediately feel more secure.”
”Why? I don’t understand any of this!”
”You don’t have to, but your guests will understand it perfectly.”

So there you go, that is a small sample of some of the stuff I am talking about. Finding the new link between my signs and Masonic symbolism made me curious to find out more about what their symbols mean to them but it quickly became apparent to me that in the vast majority of (if not all) cases the Freemasons seemed to have either lost or forgotten what their symbols are really meant to mean so I fairly quickly lost interest in it until I was ‘coincidentally’ led to this thread by Kelly’s post on a totally different subject today.

PS: And just to thicken the plot up a little further, as I noted in my first book which I wrote five years ago and long before I came to this website, the name ‘Kelly’ is actually one of the special ‘signs’ between my friends and me!

[Scots_Nomad]

I said in my post yesterday that it would be easier if I could upload a photo to illustrate what I was describing. I’m not sure if I can actually paste an image here directly (I see the ‘img’ button for posts but I’m not really sure what to do with it) so I have uploaded a few photos onto a MySpace page and if nothing else I can at least post a link to the relevant page which (fingers crossed) should work.

The first photo is of the two pillars I described in my last post. They actually started life as a couple of floor standing ashtrays which my friends ‘guided me’ to buy (I wasn’t really sure I liked them nor where I would put them, but my friends were keen that I buy two of them, so I did). When they were delivered to my house along with a few other things I had bought the ash receptacle (which slots into a round hole at the top of the pillar) was missing although I didn’t notice that until the delivery guys had left. I was going to call the shop to complain but my friends said “Don’t worry about it, you were going to throw that bit away anyway”. When I asked what I was supposed to do with two incomplete ashtrays they said ‘What else have we got you to buy that you didn’t know what to do with?”, and the only things I could think of were a couple of aluminium light shades and a couple of blue oil lamps which were originally intended to be mounted on wall mounted brackets somewhere outdoors. I discovered that if I turned the light shades they fitted neatly into the vacant holes where the ash receptacles should have gone, and that if I turned the oil lamps upside down they fitted neatly inside the light shades. I filled the bowl shape around the oil lamps with some clear large glass beads (which my friends had also urged me to buy) and ‘Hey Presto!’, the pillars were born. And if you look closely above the entrance door, even though it is dark outside and therefore not as clear as would otherwise be the case, you will notice that there is an architectural feature that looks like a huge eye – that same glazed feature is above every window and door of my house. (Follow link)

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=3111344&imageID=54616928

The next photo is of the coffee table in my sitting room upon which I displayed a wide assortment of items. I had no thoughts of Masonic symbolism when I chose the objects (and actually I changed most of them around frequently) but looking at this particular arrangement you can see a small collection of stone and crystal eggs (which I didn’t realise had any Masonic connection until yesterday), a scull, a sword, an amber pyramid, various crystal balls and globes (the large one in the centre is specifically rose quartz, which has a sub-meaning both in ‘my language’ with my friends and with freemasonry). You will also note that at each of the back corners of the table there are two stone items displayed upright – one is a finely crafted and intricately carved antique Chinese stone box and at the opposite corner is a rough piece of slate-type stone which has a stunningly detailed (but completely natural) fossil of a frog in it. You will also see that there is a large magnifying glass on the table – in the language of myself and my friends that is a synonym for ‘a big eye’. There may well be other Masonic connections that I am unaware of (If so, I would be interested to here), but I think that is already quite a lot in what is a relatively small random sample of the kind of things in my house. (follow link):

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=3111344&imageID=54616935

The third photo is of part of my collection of stone age stone working tools and ‘chisels’ which have an obvious Masonic link:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=3111344&imageID=54616932

Before I post the last photo I need to tell a wee bit of a story. I was in my kitchen one day with a bunch of five silver chopsticks in my hand (I never actually used chopsticks to eat but found various other uses for these metal ones) when I felt as though someone knocked the chopsticks out of my hand. I made a grab to try to catch them before they fell onto the floor but only managed to catch one, however I then noticed that the other four chopsticks had formed a very obvious shape, albeit with one piece of the ‘puzzle’ missing, so I placed the one chopstick that I had managed to catch into its place in the pattern and then took a photo of it (NB apart from placing that one chopstick I did not move any of the others by even a millimeter!). I know that this symbol has obvious links to Satanism and the devil to many people but it means no such thing in ‘our language’, where it is the sign for Venus, femininity and love.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=3111344&imageID=54616930

Hope you find them interesting.