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Theressa
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 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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Hi Shamana,
I will take a look at the website.
Have you heard about Bali and how they practice harmony with mother earth it may be worth you research this?
Can I share with you however that also you need to remember we influence the whole at different levels. Sometimes we put light into the world in different ways. I am a reiki master myself and I believe we are all on our own spiritual path. However, I know that there are many levels of awareness. I applaud those who are at higher awareness levels but I do not think it is good to not humble ourselves to see that some are not quite at the same level of awareness. Therefore, I work with people at the level they are at.
Spirituality is about loving the whole and love is more powerful than ANGER and judgement. Therefore, I feel strongly about teaching by example and not using harsh words towards those who are yet unconscious. Isn't it better to be gentle enough to help them realise and feel safe to discover their impact?
Mother Earth is us and we are her and all that is part of her needs love. Therefore, judging and being harsh will not help the whole.
Once again thank you for benefitting me and the whole with the work you do. Understand please that I to am doing what I can from my position of influence and working with loving intentions.
Love, light and blessings
Theressa xx |
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Theressa
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sushil_yadav
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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| rishi wrote: | | That is why modern society will not and cannot last. If it continues on in this direction it MUST die by the same sword that it lives by. It will die miserably and in confusion, until not only is all the natural world “consumed“ in the quest for more and more without end. |
| rishi wrote: | | consumerism is a cancer upon this world, and is just insanity and mass suicide re-named. |
| rishi wrote: | | If a person really wants to understand the madness of the modern day, particularly that of Western civilization, then they have to get ruthlessly honest about what’s going on in the daily world. |
| Shamana wrote: | | what has been pointed out is just straightforward and honest, and shows how much is dying around us. It was pointed out that 3 SPECIES GO EXTINCT EVERY HOUR! (Honestly, I have read that it is more like 7, but 3 is bad enough) |
The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.
Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.
We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.
Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.
Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.
Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.
"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".
These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.
You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.
Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.
We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.
If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things the ecosystems will last longer.
If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.
The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.
This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.
sushil_yadav
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Grahame
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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So Sushil,
Do you think there is a spiritual solution?
Grahame
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sushil_yadav
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Grahame wrote: | So Sushil,
Do you think there is a spiritual solution?
Grahame |
Grahame,
It is very unlikely that the remaining ecosystems will be saved as long as human society exists in its present form. After the collapse of "Industrial Society" humans will either be totally wiped out or reduced to a very tiny fraction of today's poulation. Then the ecosystems will heal and other species will thrive for thousands and millions of years. And then maybe the human race will once again appear on earth to destroy everything.
You have written about possibility of a "spiritual solution". Pre-industrial societies were far more spiritual than the modern, consumerist industrial society. Pre-industrial societies were living a simple life - causing minimum destruction of ecosystems. We need a particular kind of environment for spirituality to exist. We need a small, slow-paced society which destroys ecosystems only for its needs - and not for thousands of consumer goods.
Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work/ overwork/ destructive work - making things, buying things and selling things.
We can still make our remaining ecosystems last longer if we limit our production to food, clothing and shelter [ and health care]. We can still make our remaining ecosystems last longer if we stop production of consumer goods or reduce it to the minimum level.
But the problem here is - what are we going to do with the 3 billion people living in cities most of whom are engaged in making things, buying things and selling things. There is no surplus farm land on earth where these people can be relocated.
All of these people cannot stop activity to do meditation - this requires ability and years of effort. So what do we do with the 3 billion people living in cities - how do we keep them occupied?
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Theressa
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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We can't change the past but we can start to do something in the here and now which is the only place love exists and power.
Guilt never healed anything. ONLY love can. We to are part of the ecosystem. So if we damage people with guilt we are not helping the WHOLE.
The spiritual solution is teaching people that we are connected and part
of the whole so we are hurting ourselves as well as the plants, trees, minerals etc But maybe the pendulum will swing enough for us to start to change?
Love,
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eaglesoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: what does the world needs ? |
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From The tenth Insight workbook
Someone from this side of Life asks to someone on the other side :
What does the world needs? Gentleness, just gentleness...
what is our work to do here ? work on being gentle....being gentle...
Namaste
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Shamana
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: another excuse? |
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| Using discernment of when to be gentle is necessary. Being gentle doesn't mean NOT doing anything practical, efficient and worthwhile. Also please tell the earth, that is being raped and destroyed every minute, (where is the gentleness there?) that humans must be gentle....and also tell it to the species that go extinct every hour..... |
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truth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: There's much more to life than the material... |
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Sushil wrote: ‘It is very unlikely that the remaining ecosystems will be saved as long as human society exists in its present form.’
My argument is that human society cannot continue to exist in its present form, because when individuals choose to do so, we continually evolve, sometimes whether we're comfortable with it or not – we change and we bring about change in the societies in which we live. When I write ‘change’ I mean real significant development – an awakening to the gift that is life. The other point I’d like to add is that there is an awful lot of good stuff happening in life – not all society is crippling the planet. Yes, I know Shamana, we've all pointed and will continue to point at bits of life and judge them as being wrong, and that is an important step in our learning process - as long as we do not dwell there.
‘If one does not reflect, one thinks oneself master of everything; but when one does reflect, one realises that one is master of nothing.’… Voltaire
And that is the point I would like to make – we don’t know. Yes we can see and experience what we like and dislike, but honestly, the question we need to ask our self is what can I do about it? We do need the past, our own past from which to learn… our memories and feelings provide our clues to where we are to learn. However, we must also be constantly looking forward, wanting to be at one with the life we have been given and looking out for those ‘opportunities’ (usually veiled as obstacles) that life provides for us that enable us to become more aware of where we are, who we are and what we are to do.
Too many, too soon believe that they have the solution – how come? Because they know that they can be the solution. But, and it is a big but, when we try to run with our solution before we can walk, we forego the chance to realise that we are all part of the solution, that’s right, every single last one of us – admittedly, some appear less solution focused than others, more problematic, but there you go (when we are truly fortunate, the challenges are never ending!). However, in order to realise that we are part of the solution, we have one enormous bitter pill to swallow – and that is: that we are all too part of the problem.
The problems are many, Sushil mentions consumerism, and over-population, others have mentioned poverty, starvation, greed and general debauchery… so what do we do? Beat ourselves up for not doing more than we are? Beat others up for not doing it for us? Or... want to learn how to realise our part of the solution?
Although I understand and constantly feel the real concern for this amazingly and incredibly, beautiful home that we have called Earth, I know that any human reference to what the future will bring can only be based on an extrapolation of a limited perspective of the past and is, therefore, fundamentally flawed due to the exclusion of life's possibilities and the human ability to learn, evolve, if you like, and live differently.
It’s our choice – do we live to survive the life we've been given or live to be of life… all of life, for as long as it will have us? |
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ceinvests
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May I share a simple story of life here?
A few years ago I recycled. I taught my son to recyle. He married, had a child and got too busy to recycle. I pleaded to deaf ears.
I gave up. I let go. I also got lazy myself and slowed down. (Human)
Along came new friends into my sons familys life.
They started recycling. They are very proud to recycle. I keep quiet and simply follow their lead.
Who would I have been for getting in the way of another influencing my son. Somebody else tossed a starfish into the sea. How wonderful that we all play a part. Let Go, Let God.
God is teaching me trust, faith, and humility AND reminding me daily that he has a plan and is much more knowledgable than I am. Whew!
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eaglesoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: Re: There's much more to life than the material... |
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Amazing post Truth ... thank you !would like to highlight some parts of it :
Truth said :
because when individuals choose to do so, we continually evolve, an awakening to the gift that is life. .... there is an awful lot of good stuff happening in life – not all society is crippling the planet. .....
....and judge them as being wrong, and that is an important step in our learning process - as long as we do not dwell there.
‘If one does not reflect, one thinks oneself master of everything; but when one does reflect, one realises that one is master of nothing.’… Voltaire
And that is the point I would like to make – we don’t know. Yes we can see and experience what we like and dislike, but honestly, the question we need to ask our self is what can I do about it? We do need the past, our own past from which to learn… our memories and feelings provide our clues to where we are to learn. However, we must also be constantly looking forward, wanting to be at one with the life we have been given and looking out for those ‘opportunities’ (usually veiled as obstacles) that life provides for us that enable us to become more aware of where we are, who we are and what we are to do.
... we are all part of the solution, that’s right, every single last one of us – admittedly, some appear less solution focused than others, more problematic, but there you go (when we are truly fortunate, the challenges are never ending!). However, in order to realise that we are part of the solution, we have one enormous bitter pill to swallow – and that is: that we are all too part of the problem.
...Or... want to learn how to realise our part of the solution?
Although I understand and constantly feel the real concern for this amazingly and incredibly, beautiful home that we have called Earth, I know that any human reference to what the future will bring can only be based on an extrapolation of a limited perspective of the past and is, therefore, fundamentally flawed due to the exclusion of life's possibilities and the human ability to learn, evolve, if you like, and live differently.
It’s our choice – do we live to survive the life we've been given or live to be of life… all of life, for as long as it will have us?[/quote]
Me:
Yes agree totally ...there is a lot of good stuff ...of good people making a difference ...as i am sure everyone on this post is doing in its own way .
As long as we dont dwell in the negative...we can stand up and do our part , as the Desiderata says so eloquently..lets not loose sight of the good in the world ...
also there are different talents in this world some will stand and shout to the crowd...hope they do it gently ...from a place of Love one can be firm ...without losing respect for the one in front of us ,and the message does get to where it is intented a lot more efficiently:) that is the idea isn't it?
some will do the flashy way with lots of noise , others will in its own way, quietly , no fuzz ...some will pray for us people of the Earth to evolve ...all are necessary...the good news about being part of the problem is that each of us then is a part of the solution ...
as James R. points out in the workbooks ...we as consumers hold the greatest power in this society ....lets use it with consciously...and as Theressa pointed out once , in the measure that is possible to each of us ...each day .
Lets not buy what we dont need , lets inform ourselves of the products and brands that do not harm the enviroment and buy those...believe me , the producers are listening very carefully , everyday more and more...
quietly , one by one ...we are part of a revolution to make Earth a better place.
Lets have faith in our ability to evolve ...that is an spiritual work... lets turn inward and see how we can serve the whole better ,that is also a work that begins from the connection to Spirit ...and from there , lets do our part...
to all those that believe their mission is to raise conscience be assured the Universe will be at your side helping you to get the message through...as long as the root belief is Love , not Fear....since Fear is the dark side of the Force ...and its harvest is division , hate , dissent, and violence...we have enough of that already in this world, dont you think?
To step out from Love is to engage into living life fully... and all the forces of Spirit are going to be there for us ...that is the step in evolution we face as human race....anything else is more of the same .
And lets not forget that this site and the possibility we are having right now to discuss all this , comes cause someone one day choose to evolve...
lets then follow that lead...seems to work ! 
And yes Ce , we plant the seeds in our children, and its the Universe work to make them thrive...at this point all we can do is to pray , hope for the best and go on with our lives .
Spirit seems pretty efficient ...when we let Him work 
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Theressa
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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Hi All,
I was struck yesterday by the fact that "I" was in judgement of others the last couple of days. I was judging them for judging others. I recognised that I was not ALLOWING what is/things the way they are.
Today I recognised how critical and judgemental i am to my ex partner yet when i realised that he helps and supports his elderly mother so much and if he did work or volunteer elsewhere then he wouldn't be able to do this. I decided to not judge but compliment him for helping his mum. Yes this man has influenced and touched many lives.
My point is that I couldn't see before how he touched life/the whole in a positive way because my judgement was focused on what he doesn't do.
This seems to have been a key theme lately for me. The not wanting to ALLOW or accept how things are. I've lived and responded so much in conditioned ways. But, Grahame prompted me to start to listen and feel my way through things and then a book about self love expanded on what Grahame said.
Just my thoughts up to now
Theressa with love xx |
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Theressa
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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I love all this but Eaglesoul may I correct you when you say "when we let him do his work" when you speak of Spirit.
Spirit is US and we are Spirit so Spirit is feminine and masculine. For many years now Spirit/God has been labelled one-sided and with love I just want to point this inaccuracy out.
Love
Theressa xxx |
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eaglesoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: Him / Her |
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Point taken Theressa ...it is more accurate ...the feminine has been obscured for centuries in the Divine form....it has been a form of violence that has hurt us all .
the thing is for me I relate more to it as the masculine side of Spirit ...probably cause Jesus is my chief Master in this lifetime....and cause the Masculine aspect , the yang in oriental terms is the action principle ...and that is what i refered to ...action .
Yes Spirit is both probably, fem and masc. but there are archetypes we work with .
and also I feel impelled to say that I have no problems whith the masculine leadership as long as it is compassionate ...
I say it cause for a long time I did adress what i considered a flaw of society , an injustice ,that i still believe exists ,and i was very Feminist in my view of reality ...until my son came into my life....there I learned to respect and recover the masculine , its real , healthy role in society
I do love a guy to take the garbage out, for example... ji,ji...
seriously , i wrote him a poem the year he was to be 18...he says that bring tears to his eyes every time he reads it ...poor my son , it is in there all I expect from a guy...if he takes it by heart ...he will be working on it a couple of lifetimes:) ,ja
and one day I decided to invent a new movement...Femininism...where both the feminine and the masculine have a healthy place ...I invite you to join it...but oh, oh ...we are moving away from the focus of this thread , perhaps we can iniciate a different thread with this conversation ...dont u think?
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